Who is your most detested philosopher ?

[Nostromo]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
Philosophy is aimed at the natural world (+ some), religion is not aimed at the natural world. Science only deals with the natural world.

JM

I meant that philosophy and religion deal with a lot of the same cosmological, ethical and social issues. And I'm pretty sure Christian morals tell human beings how to live in this world.

[Jon Miller]

That isn't aimed at explaining the natural world, and science doesn't really seek to address those types of issues.

Christianity has been (mis)used to explain the natural world in the past. This isn't it's purpose though, and is a misapplication. Many other religions are meant to explain the natural world (Zeus causes lightning/etc).

JM

[Jon Miller]

Philosophy (General) is outdone by science in reference to the natural world, and to religion or religion like specializations (humanism) outside of explaining the natural world.

JM

[BlackCat]

Ok, buy the argument.

Actually, think that philosophy is relevant wether it's based upon nazism, bolchevism, teism, ateism or any other kind of ism. If not, we would probably still live by 10.000 year old standards.

[Nostromo]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
That isn't aimed at explaining the natural world, and science doesn't really seek to address those types of issues.

No it doesn't. That was my point.

[Jon Miller]

I guess that I divorce specializations (like science) from the originator (philosophy). I don't think that philosophy has added anything? since the late 19th century.

That isn't to say that it won't add something again. But just to say that currently it is pretty unimportant.

JM

[Impaler[WrG]]

Original Posted by Elok
Also, it may surprise you to learn that this is the twenty-first century, not the eighteenth, and the so-called enlightenment has been over for quite a while now. Exactly how long is not really settled. Anyway, get with the times. If you're going to be an atheist, fine, but get your head out of your arse.

Oh sorry I missed the Counter-Enlightenment and the return of the Dark Ages, though with the way things are going now ya never know. Please do explain how my dislike of Plato, or perhapse its being an atheist, means my head is up my arse.

Original Posted by Jhon Miller
Was in response to Impaler, who posted a normal 'thoughtless atheist' post (not to say that all atheists are thoguhtless, but it does seem the most vocal are of that variety).

I think you confuse 'thoughtless' with 'offensive to me'.

I must be doing well to have struck such a nerve, now we can have a nice rip-roaring debate

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Nostromo
If Ayn Rand was a philosopher, Elton John is a ladies man

Objectivism is a school of filosofy, is it not?

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
Christianity has been (mis)used to explain the natural world in the past. This isn't it's purpose though, and is a misapplication. Many other religions are meant to explain the natural world (Zeus causes lightning/etc).

JM

That really doesn't make any sense - christianity just like any other religion tries to make some kind of sense of the world.

[Nostromo]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
I guess that I divorce specializations (like science) from the originator (philosophy). I don't think that philosophy has added anything? since the late 19th century.

That isn't to say that it won't add something again. But just to say that currently it is pretty unimportant.

JM

Why do you assume that explaining the natural world is the only worthwhile thing to do? Its important, that's for damn sure, but its not the only important thing in life, nor the most important.

That said, contemporary philosophers made somewhat important contributions in logic (Russell, Carnap...), on the study of language (speech acts theory, among other things) and on the study of the human mind (consciousness, etc, etc).

And I'm not talking about their contributions to stuff that you don't seem to consider important, like social, ethical and political issues

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]


Oh sorry I missed the Counter-Enlightenment and the return of the Dark Ages, though with the way things are going now ya never know. Please do explain how my dislike of Plato, or perhapse its being an atheist, means my head is up my arse.



I think you confuse 'thoughtless' with 'offensive to me'.

I must be doing well to have struck such a nerve, now we can have a nice rip-roaring debate

Would you rather I had used ill-informed but speaks anyways? I already told you that you didn't know what you were talking about with respect to Plato. Why should I debate you?

This is why you have your head up your arse. Not all atheists do.

JM

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by BlackCat


That really doesn't make any sense - christianity just like any other religion tries to make some kind of sense of the world.

I know you don't understand what Christianity is.

JM

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Objectivism is a school of filosofy, is it not?

I've never heard of any significant filosofizer carrying this tag. Mostly, "objectivism" appears to be Rand's ill-fated claim of believing there's something more objective about her crappy philosophy.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


I know you don't understand what Christianity is.

JM

Who does ?

[Jon Miller]

Well, I do admit that it is different things to different people. But core to Christianity is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

That some Christians think that the Christianity tells them where they come from, or why they are here on this earth, is just incidental and not core to Christianity.

Core to Christianity is:
Increasing Knowledge of God
Transformation of Self*

Both through the life and sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

JM
*If I had to pick just one, this is it.