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but war should be undertaken only with an understanding of the cost, whether it be a "good" war or bad.
That seems to be forgotten quickly by the people who would champion war.
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Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
I've never been able to fathom the popularity of In Flanders Field. If there's any single poem that should never, ever be used to remember WWI, it's a poem that urges the listener to
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep
This came up in church today. The minister remarked that sixty odd years ago the "small 'f' foes" were the Nazis, Fascists, and Japanese Imperialists. But the "big 'f' foe" is the evil that recurs, generation after generation, in men's hearts and prevents us from implementing the peaceful world we all long to see.
As an aside, on the News tonight they remarked that a recent - IMO rather poignant - tradition has started in Canada where, at the end of the Remembrance Day ceremony in Ottawa, the people attending remove their poppies and place them on the tomb of the unknown soldier.
I've never been able to fathom the popularity of In Flanders Field. If there's any single poem that should never, ever be used to remember WWI, it's a poem that urges the listener to
The dead dont write poems, so I'd be hesitant to put words in their mouths committing the living to make such sacrifices. How many Americans should have died in WWI ?
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To those who sacrificed for our liberty, thank you
The dead dont write poems, so I'd be hesitant to put words in their mouths committing the living to make such sacrifices.
He was a doctor who served at Ypres in 1915.
He was there when the first gas attack was launched and he treated the survivors, some of whom had used piss in handkerchiefs to counteract chlorine gas, among the other casualties that came through his station over a period of 2 to 3 weeks of pretty savage fighting.
The day before he wrote the poem, he had signed off on the death of a soldier who had been one of his students when he taught medicine at a university before the war. He was looking at the grave while he wrote the poem the next day. He himself did not survive the war, dying in 1918.
When I read those lines, I am reading the words of a dead man talking to me about the sacrifice and the horror. He knows well the price, and if I listen I may appreciate the costs of war.
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Guys, I understand some of you prefer one poem over another, that is fine.
I've posted Owen a few times. Whether you like McCrae or not, is really irrelevant. It's a tradition we have here in Canada to commemorate the war. Owen wasn't a Canadian, for all the good he did.
I would like this to be a peaceful thread to honour those who have died in combat.
Thank you.
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That monument at the beginning was a Cenotaph, wasn't it?
That question would be better addressed by our British friends, 'cause I have no idea. How does one distinguish between a mere memorial statue and a cenotaph. There is a memorial in London called "The Great Cenotaph". You may compare what you see in the video with the picture below.
He was there when the first gas attack was launched and he treated the survivors, some of whom had used piss in handkerchiefs to counteract chlorine gas, among the other casualties that came through his station over a period of 2 to 3 weeks of pretty savage fighting.
The first allied gas masks used a compound to neutralize chlorine gas which had to be activated by urine. That's probably what he was referring to.
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The first allied gas masks used a compound to neutralize chlorine gas which had to be activated by urine. That's probably what he was referring to.
No, they did indeed pee on their handkerchiefs.
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That question would be better addressed by our British friends, 'cause I have no idea. How does one distinguish between a mere memorial statue and a cenotaph. There is a memorial in London called "The Great Cenotaph". You may compare what you see in the video with the picture below.
AFAIK any monument erected explicitly for honouring those who have died in a war is a cenotaph.
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He was there when the first gas attack was launched and he treated the survivors, some of whom had used piss in handkerchiefs to counteract chlorine gas, among the other casualties that came through his station over a period of 2 to 3 weeks of pretty savage fighting.
The day before he wrote the poem, he had signed off on the death of a soldier who had been one of his students when he taught medicine at a university before the war. He was looking at the grave while he wrote the poem the next day. He himself did not survive the war, dying in 1918.
When I read those lines, I am reading the words of a dead man talking to me about the sacrifice and the horror. He knows well the price, and if I listen I may appreciate the costs of war.
By urging others to sacrifice for the cause?
The cause - some Eurotrash elitists had a hissy fit and millions suffered. Wilson even got us in on the suffering. I had 2 uncles in that war, they were ambulance drivers. One came back "normal", the other came back crazy. I agree with Rufus, that one paragraph is out of place in that poem. If I had died on a battlefield in WWI I would not be telling my friends and family to join the cause.
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