Race, Intelligence, & Genetics or How James Watson pissed off a lot of people.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Lorizael


Yes. Part of it is discrimination and part of it is environment. Both can be true at the same time. I never speak in absolutes, Kid.

If you don't think the discrimination is significant you shouldn't mention it as a cause.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Proteus_MST
They might at first prefer their own race but this will be more because children with other skin colors are unused to them and not because of some inborn racism.
Children on the other hand are extremly good observers. If they see their parents showing the same behavior to people with other skin color as they do to people of their own skin color, they will most likely copy this behavior and for themselves be less shy against differently colored kids.
Same goes for other people impotant to children, like their teachers at Kindergarten for example.
Chuildren see what adults do and they learn from it, and they learn the more, the younger they are.

Yes, that's true. They will still tend to prefer their own race though, even though they will have a greater understanding and tolerance of other races.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Kidicious
If you don't think the discrimination is significant you shouldn't mention it as a cause.

Again, I don't believe I've ever made such a claim.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Lorizael
Again, I don't believe I've ever made such a claim.

For future clarity (maybe), post 296 you said black people (as a race) are discriminated against, in agreeing with my post 295. That's a contradiction with "Generally speaking, black people aren't discriminated against."

[Lorizael]

Please don't misquote me.

Originally posted by Lorizael
Generally speaking, companies are going to hire the people they think will do the job best...

[Kidlicious]

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Kidicious

No. You need to explain yourself. If people had equal opportunities then why wouldn't they have equal outcomes.

B/c we are not all equal (wrt abilities).

Say we sent every person in the world a check in the mail. For what reason would more whites cash the check more than blacks?

That's not oppportunity. That's some sort of welfare.

Of course it's not, and you can't make it level, except to change the outcome.

Then you institutionalize inequality (rewarding those that didn't earn it through ability).

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Kidicious

They're very different statements. If you want to talk only in broad, universal declarations, you must be precise or your argument will fall apart.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Wezil B/c we are not all equal (wrt abilities).

We are talking about races right? I think they are equal (wrt abilities).

Originally posted by Wezil
Then you institutionalize inequality (rewarding those that didn't earn it through ability).

No. That's the status quo.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Lorizael


They're very different statements.

I don't know what you are talking about again.

[Berzerker]

We are talking about races right? I think they are equal (wrt abilities).

That would be amazing, 6 billion people with differing abilities all add up to equally able races? Is there magic involved?

[Odin]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Racial divisions are already perpetuated and institutionalized in case you haven't noticed.

IMO people who claim that the US is an "inherently racist society" are stuck in them 70s. Race is mattering less and less as time goes on. Hell, I remember seeing and article that said 97% of people under 30 had no problem with inter-racial relationships.

Outcomes are what matters. I could care less what you think about me.

Utilitarianism can be used as an excuse for a paternalistic nanny state.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Kidicious

People are rational beings.

I have a nice spot under a bridge I'd like to sell ya...

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Berzerker
That would be amazing, 6 billion people with differing abilities all add up to equally able races? Is there magic involved?

It's mathematics.

[Berzerker]

I know, thats why it would be amazing if all those variables added up to equally able races