Race, Intelligence, & Genetics or How James Watson pissed off a lot of people.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Proteus_MST
I absolutely agree tat the jobs should only be given on the grounds of quaification.

Yup. Chances to get a good qualification should be equal (and so chances to get good jobs), but not the final (job) distribution in case of different qualifications.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Equality of the races is not racism. Racism is hatred and domination.

Honestly, who cares if it's "racism" or not? If it's harmful to society (which the best people not getting the best jobs could be) then it's bad, regardless of the label you do or do not attach to it.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Lorizael
Honestly, who cares if it's "racism" or not? If it's harmful to society (which the best people not getting the best jobs could be) then it's bad, regardless of the label you do or do not attach to it.

I don't see any harm to society. Society would benefit.

[BeBMan]

Would you fly in a plane knowing that the pilot didn't get the job because he is qualified for it, but for some other reason?

[Lorizael]

I'm confused. You don't agree that better = better?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Kontiki
I'm not justifying anything. I'm just pointing out that it exists despite the fact that you see no reason for it to exist. Given that, why would genetic evidence of intelligence discrepancies kill it off?

Er, political decisions are only partially based on reality. Genetic evidence of intelligence discrepancies would establish that AA is the wrong policy, even if the politicians didn't actually eliminate it.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by BeBro
Would you fly in a plane knowing that the pilot didn't get the job because he is qualified for it, but for some other reason?

I specifically stated that everyone with the jobs would be qualified.

Lori,

"I'm confused. You don't agree that better = better?"

I don't think that if 200 people apply for 100 jobs that the hiring manager will ever be able to hire the 100 people who would perform best at that position. That's because most of the people who apply will perform pretty much at the same level. I don't think that hiring 50 blacks and 50 whites would be worst than just hiring 100 people regardless of race.

[Kidlicious]

Kuci,

He's asking you why.

[Lorizael]

Perhaps you should propose a realistic scenario instead, then.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Lorizael
Perhaps you should propose a realistic scenario instead, then.

What do you mean? Which significant part is not realistic, and what difference would it make?

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I specifically stated that everyone with the jobs would be qualified.

Everyone with an ATPL and the necessary qualification/schooling for a certain type of plane is "qualified" to fly that plane.
That doesn´t however say, that he is good at flying it.

Lets say this 50% Black and 50% white is a rule.

And lets say of the 100 white pilots (who all have the necessary ATPL as well as Quali for the plane) 60 are very good pilots, they have really good grades for the flight tests and all of them also have some additional schoolings for emergency situations, that aren´t required to apply for the job but might come handy in some situations (that hopefully rarely happen)

Of the 50 blacks however there are 40 that have the same qualifications as the best 60 white pilots, but 10 of these blacks, although also qualified due to their ATPL and training on the plane lck on certain aspects (that don´t keep them from being qualified for the job).
All of them for example don´t have this additional emergency training (that in these rare situations might save passenger lifes), sme of them barely passed the training for this type of plane and 2 of these 10 were even involved in plane accidents, that, although being caused in part due to their carelessness didn´t lead to their ATPL being revoked.

As said, al are qualified for the job, but some are better (additional training,. better grades) and some are worse.

So, according to the 50% rule, the company must take all of the 50 blacks (even the 10 with deficits) because they all are qualified for the position as well as 50 of the best qualified whites.
10 of the better qualified whites however will stay woithout job, even if they additional training might be to the bst of the passengers.

And this is to the best of society?

[Kidlicious]

Pro,

Just give all the pilots the same emergency training.

[Lorizael]

...Who's doing the giving, Kid? Pilots either will or won't get such training as befits their needs, means, etc...

And really, that's an insignificant point. No matter what, in any field or position, you are going to have a pool of qualified candidates that vary in experience, ability, and skill - all qualified, but not equally so.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Anyone got a link to the research Watson did to reach his scientific conclusions?

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Er, political decisions are only partially based on reality. Genetic evidence of intelligence discrepancies would establish that AA is the wrong policy, even if the politicians didn't actually eliminate it.

Would you like to try for a third time to actually answer the question? You think it's the wrong policy now. How does this new evidence change things?

Perhaps you may like to consider the impact black people are going to feel in terms of even getting an interview in a world where they're seen as less intelligent on average.