Man shalt not dictate to God

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Shrapnel12
Just for the record, I'm neither believer nor unbeliever, but atheists seem to have the biggest mouths, seemingly having a need to show off how smart they are and put believers down. Actually it's amazing how much atheism mimics an actual religion even having it's own elements of extremism and such.

Please don't judge us all by the loudmouthed antics of the few. No need to call us stupid, either.

Thanks.

[MikeH]

My biggest complaint about religious people is that they seem to think that just because they can't come up with a logical proof for god's non-existence, then he must exist. How arrogant. It's more likely that you're just too stupid, but please don't take offense, there are lots of things that the human mind can't comprehend yet.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Shrapnel12
My biggest complaint about atheism is that they seem to think that just because they can't come up with a logical proof for god's existence, then he must not exist. How arrogant. It's more likely that you're just too stupid, but please don't take offense, there are lots of things that the human mind can't comprehend yet.

There's also the possibility that our concept of God is flawed. He/she/it may not be anything like any of our religions teach.

Just for the record, I'm neither believer nor unbeliever, but atheists seem to have the biggest mouths, seemingly having a need to show off how smart they are and put believers down. Actually it's amazing how much atheism mimics an actual religion even having it's own elements of extremism and such.

There are strong atheists and there are weak atheists. The strong ones are the fundies who are (a) loud and (b) religious in their belief. They believe that there is no god.

Weak atheists are a different matter. Weak atheists, who make up the majority of atheists and don't bother anyone, simply do not take into consideration the possibility of a god when conducting their actions.

Weak atheists are without belief when it concerns gods, and therefore do not let any sort of potential deity influence them.

It has nothing to do with proof.

[Spec]

Lori rules

I'm a weak atheist.

Spec.

[Lorizael]

Bah. Weak atheists are just as deluded as everyone else. They just find something more boring to put their faith in.

[Spec]

My hands are boring?

Thats not what the girls say.

Spec.

[Lorizael]

*sigh*

Unfortunately, not being religious, I can't say that you'll learn how wrong you are about everything when you arrive in hell after your death.

The only hope for you, Spec, is that someday you have a midlife crisis and your whole world comes crashing down around you, forcing you to actually think about the universe for a moment.

[Spec]

Originally posted by Lorizael
*sigh*

Unfortunately, not being religious, I can't say that you'll learn how wrong you are about everything when you arrive in hell after your death.

The only hope for you, Spec, is that someday you have a midlife crisis and your whole world comes crashing down around you, forcing you to actually think about the universe for a moment.

Why?

I already died twice for 4 minutes or so...and I didn't see any light or anything. Had to re-learn how to walk, move and stuff. I almost lost my legs....well, everything bellow my belly button.

Why would you wish that one me again? I had enough shlt happen to me already. And that shlt made me lose all faith in anything "god like".

Spec.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponentiation#Zero_to_the_zero_power

The evaluation of 0^0 presents a problem, because different mathematical reasoning leads to different results. The best choice for its value depends on the context. According to Benson (1999), "The choice whether to define 00 is based on convenience, not on correctness."[2] .

The evaluation of God presents a problem, because different reasoning leads to different results. The best choice for its value depends on the context. "to define God is based on convenience, not on correctness."

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Spec
Why?

You present yourself as being absolutely certain about everything in your life. I think this is a fundamentally bad thing to do. But if you're going to do it, couldn't you be certain about something a little less mundane than girls and cars?

[Straybow]

Originally posted by -Jrabbit
Man created the concept of God, thus providing God's existence.

God could have pre-existed man's creation of the concept, just waiting for man to catch on.

[Spec]

Originally posted by Lorizael
You present yourself as being absolutely certain about everything in your life. I think this is a fundamentally bad thing to do. But if you're going to do it, couldn't you be certain something a little less mundane than girls and cars?

I'm certain about everything I can control. I leave alone what I cant control, like my health (up to a point), mother nature and other peoples actions.

And maybe you think cars and girls are mundane, but they are my passions. Maybe yours is exploring thoughts and contemplating the possibilities of life, I wont judge you for that. But thats not me.

I look forward and go where I want to go. If something gets inmy way, and something usualy does, because thats how life is with me, then I find a way to go over or around it. I dont let anything decide about my faith, I am my faith, my own destiny.

And in my head, life is what it is and then you die, so why not make the most of it while you are here, even if life it self tends to kick you down?

Spec

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Spec
I already died twice for 4 minutes or so...and I didn't see any light or anything. Had to re-learn how to walk, move and stuff. I almost lost my legs....well, everything bellow my belly button.

Why would you wish that one me again? I had enough shlt happen to me already. And that shlt made me lose all faith in anything "god like".

Spec.

I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

You call yourself a weak atheist, and I actually think that's the first step towards the right answer. But it's only one step. I think you're lazy. I think most people are lazy. Most people simply don't think enough to fully comprehend where the logic they use takes them.

For most, logic is just a rationalization for whatever it is they've already decided to believe. I think this is probably the case with you. Bad circumstances led you to reject the spiritual. You can come up with reasons for your rejection later, but the rejection is a belief that reasons aren't going to change.

I think that if you're going to believe in something for a specific reason, you need to really understand the consequences and extent of your belief. Don't stop thinking. Don't reach one conclusion and say you're done. Weak atheism defines (or rather, seeks to not define) one aspect of the universe. It's only one part of the equation. It's not the whole picture.

[Spec]

Originally posted by Lorizael


I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

You call yourself a weak atheist, and I actually think that's the first step towards the right answer. But it's only one step. I think you're lazy. I think most people are lazy. Most people simply don't think enough to fully comprehend where the logic they use takes them.

For most, logic is just a rationalization for whatever it is they've already decided to believe. I think this is probably the case with you. Bad circumstances led you to reject the spiritual. You can come up with reasons for your rejection later, but the rejection is a belief that reasons aren't going to change.

I think that if you're going to believe in something for a specific reason, you need to really understand the consequences and extent of your belief. Don't stop thinking. Don't reach one conclusion and say you're done. Weak atheism defines (or rather, seeks to not define) one aspect of the universe. It's only one part of the equation. It's not the whole picture.

My brain, unfortunatly according to you, works like a computer. 1+1=2 until proven other wise.

Sadly, for me to beleive in something that I find illogical at first, has to be proven to me. And up to this point, god is a man made invention. And god, of what I know, never helped me, or anyone. Also, since the begining of time, religion has caused more pain than good.

I would love to be proven otherwise, to be proven that there is life after death...Until that is done, I cant beleive other wise, unfortunatly. Thats just not how I work.

But I wont spend hours trying to convince my self or anyone else that there is no god. I just dont care enough and I'd rather spend my energy doing something I find more constructive. Like meeting girls or working on cars. But thats just me.

Spec.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Spec
And maybe you think cars and girls are mundane, but they are my passions. Maybe yours is exploring thoughts and contemplating the possibilities of life, I wont judge you for that. But thats not me.

This thread is not about everyone's life philosophies, so I'm going to stop after replying to this.

Exploring thoughts and contemplating the possibilities of life are not my passions; they are simply what I believe to be absolutely necessary to live. They are tools. I use them to figure out what is important, what I should be passionate about.

It's quite possible that when I use these tools to their fullest extent, I may discover that girls and cars are the end all be all of life and that I should be passionate about them, but I don't know that yet. And I won't know that until I'm done thinking.