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  • #16
    I don't think Bush scared them into getting nukes. IIRC, they began cheating on the Clinton Treaty before the ink was wet.

    The really interesting aspect is whether NK sold nukes to Syria and that this was the target of the mysterious air strike Israel launched into Syria as few weeks ago.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Victor Galis
      Wasn't NK in this position before, except then Bush policy scared them into getting nukes and now he's just cleaned up the mess he created before?
      How do you scare them into something they'd been working toward since before you got into office?
      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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      • #18
        Originally posted by DinoDoc
        How do you scare them into something they'd been working toward since before you got into office?
        See?? How often do Dino & I agree on anything? We must be right!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Zkribbler
          The really interesting aspect is whether NK sold nukes to Syria and that this was the target of the mysterious air strike Israel launched into Syria as few weeks ago.
          indeed.

          Syria: The depository for WMD from tinpot dictators.
          "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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          • #20
            All of this is irrelevant as long as Iran ends up with nuclear weapons. If Bush really wants to do the job right, he'll have to send those B-2 bombers for another round.
            "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Eli
              All of this is irrelevant as long as Iran ends up with nuclear weapons. If Bush really wants to do the job right, he'll have to send those B-2 bombers for another round.
              All we needs is several hundred thousand pissed-off Iranian soldiers pouring across the border into Iraq.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Zkribbler


                All we needs is several hundred thousand pissed-off Iranian soldiers pouring across the border into Iraq.
                Haha...That would actually be just fine. The US would make mincemeat out of an Iranian military attack.

                The terrorist and guerilla warfare it would incite is another matter entirely.....
                "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Victor Galis
                  Wasn't NK in this position before, except then Bush policy scared them into getting nukes and now he's just cleaned up the mess he created before?
                  They were doing Uranium research at the time, which was not prohibitted by the framework.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Whoha


                    They were doing Uranium research at the time, which was not prohibitted by the framework.
                    Oh, of course. A Uranium bomb would be completely different.

                    While this may be technically correct, this was a clear violation of the intention of the agreement.
                    "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                    • #25
                      How can it be a big victory when Bush has essentially compromised with a regime he labelled as "evil" and "a supporter of terrorism".

                      People who know anything about this know that NK's nuclear posturing was designed to provoke negotiation.

                      And hey ho, President Roh is in Pyongyang right now trying to get the Sunshine policy back on track after it was derailed by Bush's silly posturing after 9/11.
                      Only feebs vote.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Victor Galis
                        Wasn't NK in this position before, except then Bush policy scared them into getting nukes and now he's just cleaned up the mess he created before?
                        This.
                        Only feebs vote.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Agathon
                          How can it be a big victory when Bush has essentially compromised with a regime he labelled as "evil" and "a supporter of terrorism".

                          People who know anything about this know that NK's nuclear posturing was designed to provoke negotiation.

                          And hey ho, President Roh is in Pyongyang right now trying to get the Sunshine policy back on track after it was derailed by Bush's silly posturing after 9/11.
                          Victory through pressure and negotiation is not preferable to bombing them? Agathon! C'mon man...he has always said he wanted to work through non military means on this problem.

                          Yes, NK's nuclear program was designed for two things...to get concessions and to build a bomb. Looks like it was successful...just as the efforts to dismantle it look like they have a chance for sucess. Win-win? Could be.

                          Lastly, it was far more than Bush who derailed the sunshine policy and you know it.
                          "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Agathon
                            And hey ho, President Roh is in Pyongyang right now trying to get the Sunshine policy back on track after it was derailed by the fact it never achieved anything.
                            Fixed.
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by DinoDoc
                              Fixed.
                              Much more accurate now.
                              "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                              • #30


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