Lets talk diet and obesity.

[Dauphin]

BTW, will be on a 10k run at 12pm if you care to join me.

[MRT144]

BtS needs your help blake. get your bony ass on it!

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Blake
Actually I became Vegan a few months ago (technically I became Vegetarian but almost immediately transitioned to Vegan, in part because I don't like eggs, honey or diary, except cheese - and cheese is a bad habit - although I'm actually just short of a "Red paint!" Vegan now ... living more compassionately becomes QUITE addictive).
I'm a Soy-hating Vegan FYI, meaning I eschew most stereotypical evil vegan foods and stick to the real ones - veges and nuts and stuff! (honestly I think that trying to replicate an omni diet as a vegan is borderline retarded or at least indicates a decision born from excessive emotion and insufficient reason, but each to their own).

I have been vegeterian all my life, and vegan for portions of it (including both living at home and living on my own).

When I was living at home, I never had any problem I think. But there have been a couple times where I did have problems when living on my own... just recently as an example. What I was missing just recently was B-12, which I would have gotten if I had used soymilk/etc (over the summer I had very little soy).

BTW, you don't use soy, so you use rice milk? Or do you just ignore cold cereals (only place I use it, really). You didn't like dairy before, so maybe you weren't ever use to eating cold cereal. (I don't like milk, but like cold cereal)

I personally don't try to copy an omni-diet or whatever... (I have never eaten meat) even though I do eat soymeat. It is mostly that I like soy, and am looking for easy to eat/convenient sources of protein. I eat Tofu also, but if you want variety there it takes time to prepare, so I eat the processed soymeats occasionally.

I personally think that like with many things, soy is fine in moderation.

JM

[Solly]

Soy is dreadful, health food? nooooo.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
I think I'd rather die early than spend life worrying too much about what I'm eating. I'm also slightly uneasy about the near-religious fervour that is increasingly being attached to diet.

I don't worry about what I'm eating too much. But some common sense goes a long way.

Trans fat. Stay away from this. Unfortunately restaurants and fast food restaurants don't say if they use these. I know KFC recently said they are going away from trans fat. This was a big issue for me on my trip. It's hard to know what to eat. I generally don't worry about it in these situations.

but I can never give up pizza. Even though pizza is a product of the devil. Nothing should taste so good.

[Solly]

The thing is, it's tastes so good that even healthy pizza still tastes good.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Solly
Soy is dreadful, health food? nooooo.

I know a couple issues with soy, but don't see what everyone is up in arms about. Most everything seems the same as most food that are grown, people just don't have the same information for the rest of the food.

It is like trying to ban water because some people drown.

JM

[Traianvs]

I have only met one overweight vegetarian in my life. What else can I say but: Everyone needs to become vegetarian! It solves a lot of health related problems and it's incredibly more ecological too

[Dis]

yeah it's pretty hard to be overweight and vegetarian.

but I think it's because vegetarian foods taste like crap, so they just can't find enough food without meat to eat.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Traianvs
I have only met one overweight vegetarian in my life. What else can I say but: Everyone needs to become vegetarian! It solves a lot of health related problems and it's incredibly more ecological too

60 years of pleasure or 80 years of abject misery...hmmm...

[Solly]

Someone is confusing being of average weight with being healthy.

Although I do agree with the "ecological" thing, apparently it takes several calories from grain to grow one from meat. Not that I care..

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Traianvs
I have only met one overweight vegetarian in my life. What else can I say but: Everyone needs to become vegetarian! It solves a lot of health related problems and it's incredibly more ecological too

And what will become of all the cows, pigs, chickens, and whatnots that make up our many delicious meat products served fresh at your local supermarket.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Traianvs
I have only met one overweight vegetarian in my life. What else can I say but: Everyone needs to become vegetarian! It solves a lot of health related problems and it's incredibly more ecological too

I have met a lot. But then ~50% of my denomination is vegeterrian.

Unfortunately, some don't eat enough good for you stuff, eat too much processed stuff, eat too much cheese, and/or don't exercise enough. But even then, average life expectancy is longer (over 4 years in California for example).

JM
(most also don't drink/smoke/do drugs, so I don't know what the prime part is)

[Blake]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
BTW, you don't use soy, so you use rice milk? Or do you just ignore cold cereals (only place I use it, really). You didn't like dairy before, so maybe you weren't ever use to eating cold cereal. (I don't like milk, but like cold cereal)

I have never really drink milk straight (unlike my brother who was/is a total milk addict). I do enjoy a little milk on my porridge though, I eat cold cereal maybe once a fortnight... that's just my habit from youth (a good habit), my Mum is the biggest fan of porridge ever and I'm the same. Porridge is a great word, it strikes fear into the hearts of food-heathens!

Um, this wasn't about porridge... yeah, milk. My Mum has drunk Soy milk for years, but I think it tastes like dirt, or dirt disguised by sweetening.
I like the flavor of ricemilk, especially ricemilk fortified with chickpeas (I'd say it has a sweet earthiness and mild nuttiness). I'm planning to switch to DIY nut milk though, since the carton milk is imported from USA/Canada and the DIY nut milk would be better, cheaper, healthier and more environmentally friendly.
Also rice milk is mostly carbs, while nut milk would be mostly fats - I think milk should be fatty.

I personally don't try to copy an omni-diet or whatever... (I have never eaten meat) even though I do eat soymeat. It is mostly that I like soy, and am looking for easy to eat/convenient sources of protein. I eat Tofu also, but if you want variety there it takes time to prepare, so I eat the processed soymeats occasionally.

In my case I just plain don't like soy, except soy sauce, and see no reason to start, especially with the controversy.

I personally think that like with many things, soy is fine in moderation.

"Any soy consumption is a risk. The risk scales with consumption."

What is true is that Americans tend to eat a lot more soy than the Japanese, and often in different forms - ie not fermented. There's not any precedent that the levels of soy consumption in USA are "safe". It's touted as a miracle food and thrown into everything to make it cheaper and/or to allow it to be labeled as health food.
Personally I think that the level of processing done to non-fermented soy required to make it "safe" means it can't be health food. It may or may not be better than that which it tends to replace in a typical diet, but I think there are better alternatives still.

[Provost Harrison]

You vegans are f**king crazy. Just drink cowjuice - full of calcium and protein and doesn't taste like sh*t