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Originally posted by Patroklos
Don't you think that is cutting off your nose despite your face?
Don't you think that is cutting off your nose despite your face?
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Unfortunately I don't make policy, but yes."Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum." -
You say over the line, I would say over the top and that was the point.Originally posted by Ming
That's over the line as well... so get off your high horse.
DISCUSS THE TOPIC!
And that is the topic. It's European persecution of foreign companies.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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I have no problem with your opinion of European persecution of foreign companies... I did have a problem with your racist comments.Originally posted by Asher
You say over the line, I would say over the top and that was the point.
And that is the topic. It's European persecution of foreign companies.
If you are going to sprout that kind of crap, expect crap in return, plus probably getting restricted.
If you are going to troll... do it with real discussion and facts, and leave the racist crap and other insults somewhere else.Keep on Civin'
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It's nothing to do with races, and everything to do with European culture.Originally posted by Ming
I have no problem with your opinion of European persecution of foreign companies... I did have a problem with your racist comments.
If you are going to sprout that kind of crap, expect crap in return, plus probably getting restricted.
If you are going to troll... do it with real discussion and facts, and leave the racist crap and other insults somewhere else.
But I get it, I won't discuss it further."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Originally posted by Patroklos
What I really don't understand is why bust Mircosoft at all? The point of busting trusts is that they stifle innovation or deny ubgraded service by driving out competition. But has Microsoft done this? Who cares if they have a monopoly if they are still providing a top quality product?
If we were still running on Win95 I could see their point. As it is what do Europeans think they are missing out on?
I thought the key issue was not the OS market as such, but the effect of M$ dominance in the OS market on related markets - in this case the media player and server markets, as in the past it was on browser markets. Thats really a different discussion from OS features and stability, isnt it?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Re: Pay Up *****, (Microsoft)
Microsoft has stomped whole businesses out of existence.Originally posted by Patroklos
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So, looks like they are going to pay after all.
A serious question for Europeans (and Asher), what exactly are you guys whining about? What innovation or tool is unavailable to you because of Microsoft? We have the same products in the US and we are not trust busting them. Whats the beef? Is it just a pride thing?Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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Re: Re: Pay Up *****, (Microsoft)
This happens with competition sometimes.Originally posted by SlowwHand
Microsoft has stomped whole businesses out of existence.
Can you point out, to me, a media company that went out of business due to WMP being bundled? That's what this comes down to.
Even with WMP being bundled, Apple has managed to dominate the digital media front. I think that fact alone squashes this whole case on its face, but the EU doesn't seem to think so.
There are certain basic features that operating systems must carry. A browser, a media player, a file explorer, a firewall...all of these used to only be available with subsequent commercial products. Would we really be better off like that?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Re: Re: Re: Pay Up *****, (Microsoft)
Media players are available free, for reasons I think we all understand.Originally posted by Asher
There are certain basic features that operating systems must carry. A browser, a media player, a file explorer, a firewall...all of these used to only be available with subsequent commercial products. Would we really be better off like that?
We would be better off, I suppose (or at least I suppose this is the arguement) cause a bundled media player, if its an MS product bundled with an MS OS, tends to make it harder for other media players to survive.
And of course it doenst matter if other media player companies actually go bankrupt, but if they refrain from developing products they otherwise might have."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Pay Up *****, (Microsoft)
Considering the plethora of media players available, free or otherwise, this argument does not fly in reality.Originally posted by lord of the mark
Media players are available free, for reasons I think we all understand.
We would be better off, I suppose (or at least I suppose this is the arguement) cause a bundled media player, if its an MS product bundled with an MS OS, tends to make it harder for other media players to survive.
And of course it doenst matter if other media player companies actually go bankrupt, but if they refrain from developing products they otherwise might have."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Vista isn't exactly a quality product. It's actually quite a disappointment from XP, for several reasons. Hardware compatibility and driver issues are the main ones.Originally posted by Patroklos
What does this have to do with unjustly and irrationally prosecuting a company for providing you with a quality product?
Competition is good for components of the OS, eg browsers, though this isn't what this particular case is about. Firefox is a big improvement to IE that has been limited to what, 15% of online computers to IE's 80%? Wonder why that is.Comment
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Apple is dominating digital media for a similar reason. You just complained recently that Apple locks all iPods with iTunes, saying that interfered with choice. I'm also pretty sure iPods come with iTunes install CDs, which most people then use, probably because they think the product requires it.Even with WMP being bundled, Apple has managed to dominate the digital media front. I think that fact alone squashes this whole case on its face, but the EU doesn't seem to think so.
You said yourself iTunes sucks, but it has established itself with underhanded tactics. So all you've shown is that both MS and Apple are aggressive in bundling a good product (Vista, iPod) with a crap one (WMP, iTunes) so that both are successful.Last edited by Wiglaf; September 18, 2007, 14:18.Comment
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That has nothing to do with the quality of Vista, and everything to do with the quality of hardware vendors.Originally posted by Wiglaf
Vista isn't exactly a quality product. It's actually quite a disappointment from XP, for several reasons. Hardware compatibility and driver issues are the main ones.
Because IE was way better than Netscape.Competition is good for components of the OS, eg browsers, though this isn't what this particular case is about. Firefox is a big improvement to IE that has been limited to what, 15% of online computers to IE's 80%? Wonder why that is.
Firefox is gaining on Internet Explorer's marketshare now as well.
The better product wins. IE didn't kick Netscape's ass because of bundling, Netscape simply sucked ass and IE sucked less ass."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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I don't think bundling is unethical. I think Apple SHOULD bundle iTunes with the iPods.Originally posted by Wiglaf
Apple is dominating digital media for a similar reason. You just complained recently that Apple locks all iPods with iTunes, saying that interfered with choice. I'm also pretty sure iPods come with iTunes install CDs, which most people then use, probably because they think the product requires it.
You said yourself iTunes sucks, but it has established itself with underhanded tactics. So all you've shown is that both MS and Apple are unethical in their bundling practices.
What's unethical is preventing people from using anything else."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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There are certain basic features that operating systems must carry. A browser, a media player, [...] , a firewall...
Huh?Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
And notifying the next of kin
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What is confusing about a list of basic features for a computer?Originally posted by Hueij
There are certain basic features that operating systems must carry. A browser, a media player, [...] , a firewall...
Huh?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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