Still More Apple Pwnage

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
most definitely apple pwnage

I'll see your losers and raise you three dweebs

[Kidlicious]

Sorry Asher. I'm not debating you anymore, but that article says that the iphone is selling well.

the iPhone is selling fairly swiftly

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon
The price cut is more easily explained by the release of the iPod touch.

You're making the bad assumption that the iPod Touch would not have been released at a pricier pricepoint than the iPhone.

How can he be wrong? They've sold a million of them. That's in line with their own expectations, which it is now obvious they were going to beat, price cut or no price cut.

It's amazing how the human psyche works. If you repeat something enough, you may just believe it.

I think I can I think I can...

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Agathon
You might have noticed that on the very day of the iPhone price cut, Apple announced a new iPod that is basically an iPhone sans the phone. This device was priced at $399 for a 16GB version and $299 for an 8GB version.

Oddly enough, it would seem a pretty hard sell to charge $300 more than the 8GB version for a basically identical item that only differs by including a phone.

Assuming that purchasers would realize the difference and think that the phone ability isn't worth that?

You're a bit optimistic there.

Originally posted by Agathon
OK, then go with the market that rebounded after Apple sold the millionth iPhone, as was stated in the MSNBC article I linked to.

erm,

apple

price on 9/4 was 144.16
price on 9/12 is 137.8

msnbc


please correct me.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Sorry Asher. I'm not debating you anymore, but that article says that the iphone is selling well.

That was not the point at all.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel

Assuming that purchasers would realize the difference and think that the phone ability isn't worth that?

You're a bit optimistic there.

I don't think the phone functionality is worth twice the price, especially since the iPod touch has most of the best bits the iPhone has. YMMV.

erm,

apple

price on 9/4 was 144.16
price on 9/12 is 137.8

please correct me.

9/4 was the day before the new product release. As I said before, Apple shares usually rise on the hype before an announcement, and then fall on the news. That's entirely normal.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Kidicious


The lower stock price reflect unmet expectations on investors part.

Apple has still sold 1million phones. Some people don't believe that. Everyone who does believe that admits that Apple is doing very well.

Its the same way MS "sold" 10m 360's last january, right?

where are the ATT anouncements, why don't they want the good feelings to roll over to them?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Asher
That was not the point at all.

What was the point? That the iphone isn't selling well?

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Agathon


I don't think the phone functionality is worth twice the price, especially since the iPod touch has most of the best bits the iPhone has. YMMV.

Sure you don't, but do you think that the majority of iphone purchasers are sophisticated, or do you think they are more the "see pretty tv ad, see high price, want the status symbol" type? I'm going to go for the latter, based on the limited sample of people I know with iphones.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Agathon
9/4 was the day before the new product release. As I said before, Apple shares usually rise on the hype before an announcement, and then fall on the news. That's entirely normal.

So you are saying that the press and investors get all excited over what Apple may be bringing out, but then they see it and realize it just isn't that great?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kidicious



What was the point? That the iphone isn't selling well?

I believe I just told you that was not the point. Perhaps instead of guessing the same thing, you can change up your guesses.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel


Its the same way MS "sold" 10m 360's last january, right?

where are the ATT anouncements, why don't they want the good feelings to roll over to them?

What do ATT anouncements have to do with anything?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Asher


I believe I just told you that was not the point. Perhaps instead of guessing the same thing, you can change up your guesses.

Ummmm... No you didn't. You just posted a link. Thank you for doing that, but it doesn't back up what you are claiming. Find one that supports your argument and I will resume debating you.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel

Sure you don't, but do you think that the majority of iphone purchasers are sophisticated, or do you think they are more the "see pretty tv ad, see high price, want the status symbol" type? I'm going to go for the latter, based on the limited sample of people I know with iphones.

Maybe. I happen to be an unorthodox lefty in that I don't have much time for the people who think that consumers are callously manipulated by advertising. Most goods like this sell in great numbers because there is something genuinely good about them, not because of brainwashing.

Look at the Nintendo Wii. People are buying it because it is great, not because of the hype. I think the iPhone is a lot like the Wii in its appeal.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher

The whole point of the debate has been lost through obfuscation and general bewilderment on Kid's behalf.

The whole point was simple: AT&T's activation numbers have not jived with Apple's reported sales numbers.

Except that you have no idea what the activation numbers are. For all you know, the numbers are within norms for the industry. And there's nothing to suggest that the activation numbers are extremely low.

So this part of your argument is based on nothing really

You are correct about the shipping/sales numbers, although 1 million is still substantial and Apple is ahead of its sales projections made in June.