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  • Originally posted by Colonâ„¢


    If it's a stealth vessel, how come I can still see it?

    No, It's the other one in the picture.
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    • Coolest Ship never built...
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      • Originally posted by Lonestar



        Because it has angles so it's stealth lol


        I'm sure Pat can explain the practical reason why Stealth Ships have a more limited utility than Ollie thinks.
        And the war nerd can explain why carriers have a more limited utility than you guys think.
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        • If everybody in the world has stealth stuff for everything, noone will be able to identify and fight his enemy anymore.

          Then, world peace is achieved.
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          • BeBro - that is the best argument for stealth technology I have ever seen. I applaud you, my man

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            • Except that it would give an unfair advantage to the ones who decided to just fake it.

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              • And that's when Lithuania takes over.
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                • Originally posted by Chemical Ollie


                  And the war nerd can explain why carriers have a more limited utility than you guys think.
                  Well if the war nerd says so then it must be true. Even if war nerd is more than willing to have the country "go to war every now and then" when he hasn't served. Of course, these current wars he is opposed to, and go figure CVNs have figured promiently in the actions...

                  Of course, OEF wouldn't have done much of anything for several months(until we had facilities that met USAF standards set up in central asia) if it weren't for said Carriers. Or OIF...
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                  • Originally posted by Colonâ„¢
                    Obligatory picture:

                    Wow! The Belgian navy has really, really, really improved!

                    I must say though, that suspiciously looks a lot like one of ours. You guys have really mastered the art of shoplifting.
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                    • Originally posted by PLATO
                      Coolest Ship never built...
                      What the H does it do?
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                      • Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


                        What the H does it do?
                        It was intended to replace the BB's in the Naval Gunfire support role for the Marines.

                        Lots of problems with that, obviously. Such as no guns(they were just gonna use a ****load of Standard Missiles).
                        Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                        • Originally posted by Lonestar

                          It was intended to replace the BB's in the Naval Gunfire support role for the Marines.

                          Lots of problems with that, obviously. Such as no guns(they were just gonna use a ****load of Standard Missiles).
                          Ahhh, I see we're taking a page from the British invasion of the Falklands.

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                          • It's a Japanese Aircraft Carrier.



                            Oh shi-
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                            • Originally posted by Patroklos

                              Meanwhile, the US still hasn't flown a long range bomber patrol since the breakup of the USSR.
                              Putin said that "others" didn't cancel their long range bomber patrols when USSR did it. Since only USA and Russia has a long range bomber fleet, it's obvious that he talked about USA. And i bet he's better informed than you.

                              Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
                              Bah, our stealth subs will sink them all, anyway
                              You don't need something like stealth subs so to sink a big sitting ducks like carriers.



                              It all comes out of the "Millenium Challenge '02" war games we staged in the Persian Gulf this summer. The big scandal was that the Opposing Force Commander, Gen. Paul van Ripen, quit mid-game because the games were rigged for the US forces to win. The scenario was a US invasion of an unnamed Persian Gulf country (either Iraq or Iran). The US was testing a new hi-tech joint force doctrine, so naturally van Riper used every lo-tech trick he could think of to mess things up. When the Americans jammed his CCC network , he sent messages by motorbike.

                              But that was just playing around. They wouldn't have minded that. Might've even congratulated van Ripen, bought him a drink for his smarts, at the post-games party.

                              The truth is that van Ripen did something so important that I still can't believe the mainstream press hasn't made anything of it. With nothing more than a few "small boats and aircraft," van Ripen managed to sink most of the US fleet in the Persian Gulf.

                              What this means is as simple and plain as a skull: every US Navy battle group, every one of those big fancy aircraft carriers we love, won't last one single day in combat against a serious enemy.
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                              • Originally posted by Ellestar

                                Putin said that "others" didn't cancel their long range bomber patrols when USSR did it. Since only USA and Russia has a long range bomber fleet, it's obvious that he talked about USA. And i bet he's better informed than you.


                                You don't need something like stealth subs so to sink a big sitting ducks like carriers.


                                You realize you're linking the opinion piece from a guy who advocates using WMDs on the civilian population in Iraq as a "solution" to win the war.

                                Forgive me if I don't take his doom and gloom "CARRIERS ARE OBSOLETE" babble seriously based off a lopsided war game designed to have happen exactly what did happen.

                                But hey, if your country wants to base their war doctrine off an obese nerd's internet blog, more power to you.

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