Stupid Canadian Cops Busted Trying To Incite Protest Riot

[Agathon]

Meanwhile

Retired police officer believes masked men were cops

Meanwhile, a retired Ottawa police officer who was formerly in charge of overseeing demonstrations for the force said he questions who the masked men really are, after viewing the video.

"Were they legitimate protesters? I don’t think so," said Doug Kirkland.

"Well, if they weren't police, I think they might well have been working in the best interests of police."

He added that if the situation was as it appeared, he did not approve of the tactic. "It's pretty close to baiting," he said.

On Wednesday, the mayor of Montebello thanked police and protesters, praising the fact that there wasn't a single report of damage during the two-day summit.

The Security and Prosperity Partnership pact, signed in 2005, is intended to forge closer trade and security links between the countries.

Opponents say negotiations about the agreement are secretive and undemocratic, and the treaty itself erodes Canada's control over its natural resources, security and defence.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2007/08/22/ot-police-070822.html

And of course there is no shortage of posts on the CTV site expressing the belief that it is perfectly legitimate for the police to plant goons in a peaceful protest in order to allow the riot police to beat them with impunity. You have to wonder about some people...

[VetLegion]

About the boots, what can be seen from the pictures is not definitive proof. As outdoorsmen know, the yellow mark on the sole is probably indicating a Vibram sole, and those are used by many different boot brands:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibram

Although the brand is best known among the outdoor and mountaineering community, Vibram produces numerous models of soles specifically designed for fashion, military, rescue, law enforcement or industrial use. Vibram also produces soles for the purpose of footwear resoling.

Among the footwear manufacturers that use Vibram soles on their products are The North Face, Scarpa, Merrell, Timberland, Chaco, Lowa, Asolo, Rockport, Columbia Sportswear, and Hi-Tec. Some high profile collaborations include Giorgio Armani, Prada Sports, Dolce & Gabbana and Hugo Boss.

That's just a curiosity though. I've watched the video and those guys were definitely cops. I'm all for undercover police work, but inciting riots is simply too much

[Agathon]

Originally posted by VetLegion
About the boots, what can be seen from the pictures is not definitive proof. As outdoorsmen know, the yellow mark on the sole is probably indicating a Vibram sole, and those are used by many different boot brands:

Yeah, I said above that they were Vibram #134AR soles. Vibram's US site lists those soles under their Police/Fire and Military categories.

But all of them having the same boots is too much. Other than Doc Martens and El Che T-Shirts, you would be hard pressed to find any piece of clothing that any Black Bloc protesters were wearing in common.

[Agathon]

Enhanced pic of the boots.

http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=montebello20aot050highlcv4.png

Beyond all doubt, they are the same, except that one pair has had duct tape and paint put on it to make it look "anarchist".

[CrONoS]

Whatever they are coming from Quebec City!

(Laval university bag, CHOI T-shirt which is a Quebec City radio station)

Which proof that Quebec City have reputation of having stupid anarchist and stupid bastard cops.

[Agathon]

This comment on the G&M board made me laugh

Mr. Harper's minions (or Mr. Harper himself) can't even coordinate a staged bludgeoning of seniors exercising their democratic right to protest peacefully. It's sad.

[VetLegion]

Originally posted by Agathon


Yeah, I said above that they were Vibram #134AR soles.

I went to eat so I didn't see your post. BTW that's one kickass digital camera, for taking a photo this crisp...

[Pekka]

I just think that if they are proven to be cops, this should be a very serious event. Not only would this be endangering citizens health, they woudl also be engaging in a violent riot. That, plus setting it up. So yeah, I think the undercovers should be all fired the least and the one who accepted this policy should be fired and jailed for a _long_ time.

This kind of stuff just is unforgivable, but unfortunately I think many people not linked to this protest are that interested or take it as seriously as the event demands.

[CrONoS]

Originally posted by VetLegion


that's one kickass digital camera, for taking a photo this crisp...

Yep

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Well even the crappy video you put up mentioned violence on the part of the protestors.

Stop threadjacking with your apologist crap!

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Pekka
I just think that if they are proven to be cops, this should be a very serious event.

It won't be. I predict that very little will happen. At most a government inquiry, which will report in a couple of years and either take a few low level scalps or exonerate the police. Canadian police have pepper sprayed and even killed citizens before and no-one who really mattered or who was really responsible has ever paid a dime or spent a day in jail.

The mainstream media in Canada (esp. the private media) will make this go away as soon as possible.

It's nice to see them caught, but nothing will come of it.

[CrONoS]

There several question who need to be answered:

1- At what levels "the fake protester" have been organized? If cops were knowing, they would be some leak in the press, or it would be really soon.

2- Does the highest hierarchal level was knowing of this?

3- Since they were wearing Quebec City stuff, do they come from Quebec City? This is strange that they were wearing Quebec City stuff.

[Pekka]

Originally posted by Agathon


It won't be. I predict that very little will happen. At most a government inquiry, which will report in a couple of years and either take a few low level scalps or exonerate the police. Canadian police have pepper sprayed and even killed citizens before and no-one who really mattered or who was really responsible has ever paid a dime or spent a day in jail.

The mainstream media in Canada (esp. the private media) will make this go away as soon as possible.

It's nice to see them caught, but nothing will come of it.

I know it won't be. Because if they would take it objectively and do their job (justice system), this would be a _serious_ event. Big investigations, people fired, people jailed. I think it's kind of stupid that the magnitude of the event will cause the fact that it will be buried. It should be the other way around.

It was like this one dude was accused of being a spy for Stasi (DDR) few years ago and every paper had it as big news. So his reputation was seriously ruined, he was accused of spying and giving out classified documents. That's a serious offense. So the equivalent of FBI/CIA, secretive police force, took him down for it, well it was them who accused him for spying, then leaked it to the press.

The best part, they had absolutely no evidence. And they made a mistake. But because they were "so sure" about it from the get go that they got the right guy, well, they just got out of line with their procedures. And it isn't just about getting your rights abused, it's also about the "last line of defense" which should be trusted, well they're kind of ****ing around. Then, the guy loses his rep forever. On top of that, this is a small country. Someone might just snap and do something to this guy. It's not safe after that. So it's a whole group of things that the victim has to now deal with just because "someone made a mistake".

The guy was high ranking official and still is, so he had the balls to sue the state for it. This is a very rare thing in here, but the guy was pissed off seriously, so he sued and it's in the courts right now. He will lose, naturally, even though he is right. The state already responded that "the state is not going to lose". Well that's it then. It just goes to show that when push comes to shove, these vital structures aren't working like they're supposed to work, and they're supposed to work for the citizens and uphold the society, not protect itself from their own abuse and mistakes.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by CrONoS
There several question who need to be answered:

1- At what levels "the fake protester" have been organized? If cops were knowing, they would be some leak in the press, or it would be really soon.

Ever heard of the "Thin Blue Line"? Cops ratting out other cops is rather rare. The truth is that this has been standard practice for years. Protesters who oppose the "consensus" between the ruling political parties are seen as a nuisance, since they ask questions that politicians and the establishment don't like to answer. Pretty much every government of every English speaking country has been through this free market, free trade crap. This stuff is in the interest of the establishment, but not necessarily in the interests of ordinary people. Hence, those who make noise about it must be marginalized. The easiest way is to make them look like radical and intrinsically violent subversives. That way their message gets lost in the tear gas (with the willing collusion of the media). The Canadian government has been doing this for years.

It's easy to tell when the establishment approves of something, because there will be little or no violence reported in the media.

2- Does the highest hierarchal level was knowing of this?

Of course. Who else would benefit from it? The police don't benefit, as it is a risk to them. The police themselves have no rational interest in protests becoming violent, or in clubbing citizens. They would much prefer it if things went off peacefully, as it makes their job easier and attracts praise rather than criticism. The orders for this sort of stuff have to come from higher up, because the ordinary cops have no reason to do it.

3- Since they were wearing Quebec City stuff, do they come from Quebec City? This is strange that they were wearing Quebec City stuff.

Not if many police were shipped in from elsewhere, as they were for the Summit of the Americas. That village doesn't normally have all those police.

[Agathon]

Pekka.

Canada has been responsible for much worse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maher_Arar

Although this person received compensation from the Canadian government, it appears that not one Canadian official involved has been punished in any way, and several have been promoted (one guy resigned, but that's not punishment). So, yet again, Canadian taxpayers foot the bill for official malfeasance and the perpetrators are left to perhaps commit further crimes.