Stupid Canadian Cops Busted Trying To Incite Protest Riot

[notyoueither]

And these are just more posts by you showing you are a total anti-establishment wingnut.

There, we're even.

The fact remains that there is no evidence other than rants by wingnuts about anything approaching an unseemly act by the three officers. 'They threw a boulder!'

On the youtube clip, I see three bandana clad officers mingling in a crowd with other bandana clad people. If I were a cop, I'd be curious about what those other bandana wearing people would get up to. Is that unreasonable? Of course you think so. You think anyone who isn't instantly in agreement with you is somehow channeling Hitler.

[Donegeal]

Ok... wow. They ARE complete morons...

I can understand wanting to place people in the crowd to try and find violent protesters, and there claim to be doing so should be given the benefit of the dout. The explaination remains just as valid as that of the protesters. They very well could have been trying to get away from the 'violent protesters' who were getting ready to jump them because they refused to throw the rock, however, there would be no reason why the guy shouldn't have dropped the rock once he and his partners were separated from the 'violent protesters'.

Goddamnit. I gotta switch sides on this one. Up till now I held the RCMP in the highest regard. I hope this clears up or it will be a HUGE stain on them.


BTW, Aggie, making this claim 'sole'ly on the widely used boots is still ridiculouse.

[notyoueither]

They weren't RCMP.

[Shrapnel12]

[QUOTE]The NDP said the public should be worried about the possibility police officers were used to try to turn a peaceful protest into a violent one.
[QUOTE]

Yes, and I'm also worried about a planet killing meteor hitting earth and the bird flu.

We now know that Agathon is 100% correct about these people being cops, but proving they were trying to incite violence will be a bit harder. I think they are just idiots, but Agathon has earned some credibility, so I'm willing to listen openly to his arguements.

[Lorizael]

I don't understand why the one cop didn't put down the rock when the other protesters told him to. What'd he have it for, anyways?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by notyoueither


I didn't see them doing anything outrageous or inciteful in the clip posted.

Oh, and congrats on the Godwin.

You didn't see the large rocks in their hands?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Donegeal
BTW, Aggie, making this claim 'sole'ly on the widely used boots is still ridiculouse.

The boots are really the nail in the coffin. They obviously appear to be police. Protestors don't have that build. Maybe, if they were protestors 1 would have a build like that, but not all of them.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Kidicious
You didn't see the large rocks in their hands?

'Boulder' is clearly an exaggeration, though.

[Shrapnel12]

Originally posted by Kidicious


You didn't see the large rocks in their hands?

Holding a rock is a crime where you live Kid? I don't know how holding a rock would incite a crowd to violence. Now if he actually threw the rock, others might follow his example (but from what I know of this particular crowd that's doubtful) or if he was threatening the protestors, they might react violently in self defense. Either way, I think you have to do a bit more then hold a rock to incite a riot.

[Agathon]

Oh... it wasn't just rocks.

Look at the pic in my original post. The guy has an empty glass bottle in his back pocket.

You can see it better here.

http://www.cupe.ca/gallery/montebello-monday/Montebello_20_ao_t_050?full=1

What's NYE going to say? That he couldn't find a trash can to put it in?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by notyoueither
And these are just more posts by you showing you are a total anti-establishment wingnut.

There, we're even.

The fact remains that there is no evidence other than rants by wingnuts about anything approaching an unseemly act by the three officers. 'They threw a boulder!'

On the youtube clip, I see three bandana clad officers mingling in a crowd with other bandana clad people. If I were a cop, I'd be curious about what those other bandana wearing people would get up to. Is that unreasonable? Of course you think so. You think anyone who isn't instantly in agreement with you is somehow channeling Hitler.

You also see the protest leaders asking them to drop a weapon, which the cop refuses to do. The whole confrontation is started by these guys moving towards the police lines carrying a weapon. The protest leaders object to this, as well they should.

And the other one is carrying an empty glass bottle in his pocket. Strange place to carry such a thing. Indeed, why would anyone carry such a thing around like that?

And the other protesters are pretty clear that it is the actions of these cops in attempting to incite violence that led to their exposure.

Sorry dude, you just got owned.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Lorizael
I don't understand why the one cop didn't put down the rock when the other protesters told him to. What'd he have it for, anyways?

To start a riot. That's the whole point.

None of the other protesters are armed, and they are urging the infiltrators not to engage in violence. None of them are engaged in provocative action. The only provocative action comes from the police, who are carrying weapons and shoving seniors who are trying to prevent them reaching the police line while they are carrying weapons.

If the cops weren't interested in starting a fight, then why didn't they drop the rocks when asked to? Were they afraid of the line of seniors who were accosting them and yelling at them not to approach the police line with weapons?

About the only other explanation you could make is that the rock was a pet rock, and the officer didn't want to leave it behind...

[Donegeal]

No Aggie. What they are trying to say is that they did nothing illegal. Carrying a rock is not illegal. Having an empty bottle in your back pocket is not illegal.

Imagine if the situation turned out to be they were protesters. Would you still be attacking them and accusing them of trying to start a fight? I think you'd be screaming about how the police attacked them when all they did was have a rock in hand and an empty bottle in the back pocket.

BTW... very glad to hear it wasn't RCMP ( ), yet still VERY disturbed that it was cops at all. I wonder if they were acting on orders or if it was their own idea. If they were acting on their own, it would absolve the department of any wrong doing (but the officers should get fired for conduct unbecoming an officer... If their intentions can be proved).

[Gibsie]

You're just a tin-foil anarchist nutbag Agathon. Can you prove to me that the police officer hadn't confiscated the rock (and empty glass bottle) in case any of the other doubtlessly violent protesters had picked them up and used them to assault the police officers? No, you can't, therefore I'm right and you're wrong.

The actions of these men were clearly on the level of bomb disposal teams- the protesters were merely angry that their tools of destruction were being removed. Plus, the protesters were making the video so OF COURSE they were going to pretend to be non-violent.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Donegeal
No Aggie. What they are trying to say is that they did nothing illegal. Carrying a rock is not illegal. Having an empty bottle in your back pocket is not illegal.

But you simply have to wonder what they were doing with them in the first place. And also, once they realized that this crowd wasn't going to start a riot (and in fact was very much opposed to the idea of a riot) the best way to calm things down would have been to acquiesce to the demands of the protest leaders and put down the rocks. Instead the cops held onto the rocks and continued to look dumb. Why?