Venezuelian Aggressor Only Changes 10% Of The Constitution!

[Arrian]

I don't see a connection with extending term limits and abolishing elections.

The concern of many is that is a later step. First term limits, then more.

More likely, however, is that he gets rid of the term limits and rigs the elections instead of doing away with them. Control of the press, etc.

Note: I agree the pre-Chavez government of Venezuela wasn't good. That doesn't make everything he does good.

-Arrian

[DinoDoc]

So how does this combine with his new power to rule by decree?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Arrian


My concern is that he wants to be El Presidente for life.

It's not like this stuff hasn't happened before in other countries. This isn't wild conspiracy stuff. There are examples. I even gave one already (Mugabe).

I'll be happy if I'm wrong.

-Arrian

He might just make himself president for life. I don't see the reason for so much concern though. Venezuelans would lose nothing. In fact, they would still be better off then being ruled by the opposition.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Arrian
Note: I agree the pre-Chavez government of Venezuela wasn't good. That doesn't make everything he does good.

-Arrian

Not good at all, but no worse than what the people previously had.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Arrian

More likely, however, is that he gets rid of the term limits and rigs the elections instead of doing away with them. Control of the press, etc.

He won't be able to get away with that. All elections so far have been observed, and I don't think it is politically possible for Chavez to change that in the future.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Kidicious
You have to have a reason to run for a third term. You can't just run for "plenty of things."

Who says you need a reason? Chavez doesn't feel like he needs one. Besides, his "we have stuff to do" reason is far, far, far worse than a Cold War is still going on justification.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Who says you need a reason? Chavez doesn't feel like he needs one. Besides, his "we have stuff to do" reason is far, far, far worse than a Cold War is still going on justification.

You need a reason because it's unacceptable otherwise. You can't just do it, because you feel like it. Holy cow dude. And Chavez does have a reason. The ****ing capitalists have been robing the country blind for a long time and his people were mostly all living in extreme poverty. Dang dude, I mean Daaaaang!

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Agathon


He won't be able to get away with that. All elections so far have been observed, and I don't think it is politically possible for Chavez to change that in the future.

Hes gotten away with limits on the press, and arrests of political opponents (anyone who opposes him is automatically connected to the coup against him) and hes increasing his control over the judiciary, and now the central bank. Hmm, judiciary, central bank, press, that couldnt by coincidence be the institutions that could manage to stop him, could it?

This man knows how to boil a frog.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Kidicious


You need a reason because it's unacceptable otherwise. You can't just do it, because you feel like it. Holy cow dude. And Reagan did have a reason. The ****ing liberals have been robing the country blind for a long time and had brought down the greatest economy in the world to a state of "malaise" and they were letting the frigging USSR take over the world, among other high crimes. Dang dude, I mean Daaaaang!

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[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Kidicious
You need a reason because it's unacceptable otherwise. You can't just do it, because you feel like it. Holy cow dude. And Chavez does have a reason. The ****ing capitalists have been robing the country blind for a long time and his people were mostly all living in extreme poverty. Dang dude, I mean Daaaaang!

You need the stop hitting the drugs. Chavez is doing it because he feels like it. Capitalists robbing the country blind is no reason to declare a crisis. If your cause is just the next person in your party will get elected and continue those policies.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


You need the stop hitting the drugs. Chavez is doing it because he feels like it. Capitalists robbing the country blind is no reason to declare a crisis. If your cause is just the next person in your party will get elected and continue those policies.

He can declare any damn crisis he wants. He can take it where ever it takes him. The people believe the crisis is severe enough. No one would buy that **** from Reagan (as great as an orator as he was).

[Agathon]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Hes gotten away with limits on the press, and arrests of political opponents (anyone who opposes him is automatically connected to the coup against him) and hes increasing his control over the judiciary, and now the central bank. Hmm, judiciary, central bank, press, that couldnt by coincidence be the institutions that could manage to stop him, could it?

I support him regarding the political opponents, although this has been exaggerated. There is ample reason for him to be paranoid about a coup, and ample reason for Venezuelans to fear one.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Agathon


I support him regarding the political opponents, although this has been exaggerated. There is ample reason for him to be paranoid about a coup, and ample reason for Venezuelans to fear one.

hmmm? The military is completely loyal, which is why the last attempt had to be based in the oil company. hes taken over that now, and the broadcast media.

Now hes just squashing anyone who could oppose him in any other way. If you dont care to call that "democratic opposition" well thats semantics.

The only base for opposition now are the groups to his left. Their time will come.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


hmmm? The military is completely loyal, which is why the last attempt had to be based in the oil company. hes taken over that now, and the broadcast media.

Now hes just squashing anyone who could oppose him in any other way. If you dont care to call that "democratic opposition" well thats semantics.

The only base for opposition now are the groups to his left. Their time will come.

We shall see. I doubt it.

[Shrapnel12]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Things are going very well actually in Venezuela. The economy is booming despite lower oil production. Poverty continues to be reduced also. So why shouldn't he extend term limits?

I wonder how many people said that about Hitler when he came to power. When Chavez's own power hungry ego finally makes things go wrong, how many people do you think he will kill to keep it quiet?

I'll check this thread again when thousands in Venezuala are despairing in sorrow from having their children dead and their civil rights trampled. Something that ALWAYS happens under the rule of dictators (100% so far since the dawn of man). We'll see what you have to say then Kid.