Venezuelian Aggressor Only Changes 10% Of The Constitution!

[Arrian]

It would be on the road to being undemocratic, if he was proposing a referendum that would make him dictator for life. So far he hasn't done that.

The way things are going I won't be surprised if he does in the future. This is why I said he's on the path.

And I don't cut him much slack given that he was a coup plotter himself back in 1992.

Fair enough, but it's not really our place to decide for the Venezuelans

Who here is trying to decide for Venezuelans? We're discussing Chavez. Not plotting his ouster.

-Arrian

[St Leo]

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Chavez has done some good things, but getting rid of term limits is an absolutely awful move. Venezuela will come to rue the day the referendum passes.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Arrian


Who here is trying to decide for Venezuelans? We're discussing Chavez. Not plotting his ouster.

-Arrian

So you didnt get the PM about picking up the "package" in Aruba? And if one red cent is mssing from the "package" when it gets to Caracas, Arrian, well you can kiss Connecticut good bye forever. And dont forget its "Pedro" you need to see, and the password is "Apple Sucks". If you forget the password again, well I dont know what we're going to do with you.

[St Leo]

Originally posted by Kidicious
They should be crying. And that's a very good thing.

Chavez isn't a saint. He is a human, just like you and me. We are fallible. We make mistakes. We require feedback to stay on the right track. And without elections, without feedback, there can be no sanity.

The worst thing the Bolsheviks ever did was disregard the results of the election between February and October revolutions. So what that they didn't win? The system had been changed, the Tzar overthrown, the people free. But by staging their coup, they turned themselves into a new Tzar.

Elections are the only thing that keep a government good, honest, responsible, and accountable.

(Yes, this is not quite about abolishing elections, but if Chavez has no understudy who can lead his party after Chavez, there's a bigger problem ahead.)

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Kidicious
What the hell for?

For plenty of things you don't like . But he would have smashed Dukakis like Bush 41 did.

[Arrian]

Originally posted by lord of the mark



So you didnt get the PM about picking up the "package" in Aruba? And if one red cent is mssing from the "package" when it gets to Caracas, Arrian, well you can kiss Connecticut good bye forever. And dont forget its "Pedro" you need to see, and the password is "Apple Sucks". If you forget the password again, well I dont know what we're going to do with you.

Pedro Cerrano! Jo-Bu is in on this too? Day-um. It's really going down!

-Arrian

[Barnabas]

Chavez must apologize because

-From 1998 till 2007 the poverty rate only dropped 9 points, from 48,7 to 39,7 %
Indigence only dropped 7 points

-From 1998 till 2007 unemployment only dropped 2 points, from 12,8 to 10,5

-Income distribution has remained basically unchanged, in 1998 the wealthiest 20% earned 11,4 times more than the poorest 20%, now the difference is 10,4. In 2004 it was worse than in 1998.

-Because he is a bad president, a fraud with a commie look which makes leftists around the world like him, who is wasting the money of Venezuela´s oil exporting boom in weapons (free oil for Cuba, free stuff for Bolivia, Ecuador etc, buying argentine bonds), wasting a big opportunity for Venezuela to stop being a third world country, and hurting its democracy.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


For plenty of things you don't like . But he would have smashed Dukakis like Bush 41 did.

You have to have a reason to run for a third term. You can't just run for "plenty of things."

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Barnabas
Chavez must apologize because

-From 1998 till 2007 the poverty rate only dropped 9 points, from 48,7 to 39,7 %
Indigence only dropped 7 points

-From 1998 till 2007 unemployment only dropped 2 points, from 12,8 to 10,5

-Income distribution has remained basically unchanged, in 1998 the wealthiest 20% earned 11,4 times more than the poorest 20%, now the difference is 10,4. In 2004 it was worse than in 1998.

-Because he is a bad president, a fraud with a commie look which makes leftists around the world like him, who is wasting the money of Venezuela´s oil exporting boom in weapons (free oil for Cuba, free stuff for Bolivia, Ecuador etc, buying argentine bonds), wasting a big opportunity for Venezuela to stop being a third world country, and hurting its democracy.

2 and 4 are cash basis. The govt provides a lot of valuable services to the poor without charge, like health care.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Arrian


The way things are going I won't be surprised if he does in the future. This is why I said he's on the path.

And I don't cut him much slack given that he was a coup plotter himself back in 1992.

You do realize that you are a conspiracy theorist right?

[Arrian]

Excuse me? He was the leader of the failed 1992 coup attempt.

What are you on about?

-Arrian

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Arrian
Excuse me? He was the leader of the failed 1992 coup attempt.

What are you on about?

-Arrian

So your theory is that he wants to be dictator?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Arrian


Pedro Cerrano! Jo-Bu is in on this too? Day-um. It's really going down!

-Arrian

You werent supposed to know THAT. Now we have to keeel you.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by St Leo

Originally posted by Kidicious
They should be crying. And that's a very good thing.

Chavez isn't a saint. He is a human, just like you and me. We are fallible. We make mistakes. We require feedback to stay on the right track. And without elections, without feedback, there can be no sanity.

The worst thing the Bolsheviks ever did was disregard the results of the election between February and October revolutions. So what that they didn't win? The system had been changed, the Tzar overthrown, the people free. But by staging their coup, they turned themselves into a new Tzar.

Elections are the only thing that keep a government good, honest, responsible, and accountable.

(Yes, this is not quite about abolishing elections, but if Chavez has no understudy who can lead his party after Chavez, there's a bigger problem ahead.)

I don't know how this is a response to what you quoted me on, and I don't see a connection with extending term limits and abolishing elections.

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Kidicious


So your theory is that he wants to be dictator?

My concern is that he wants to be El Presidente for life.

It's not like this stuff hasn't happened before in other countries. This isn't wild conspiracy stuff. There are examples. I even gave one already (Mugabe).

I'll be happy if I'm wrong.

-Arrian