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    But, this should of course be taken with a grain of salt.

    The left has been trying to downplay the credentials of these guys on the news and radio all day, but they have not found any traction. They are of the same house.

    It should be noted before you read that the progress they talk about is fragile and limited at best, but it is is stark contrast to the Reid’s and Pelosi’s out there prophesizing the end of the world.


    A War We Just Might Win

    By MICHAEL E. O’HANLON and KENNETH M. POLLACK
    Published: July 30, 2007

    VIEWED from Iraq, where we just spent eight days meeting with American and Iraqi military and civilian personnel, the political debate in Washington is surreal. The Bush administration has over four years lost essentially all credibility. Yet now the administration’s critics, in part as a result, seem unaware of the significant changes taking place.

    Here is the most important thing Americans need to understand: We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms. As two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration’s miserable handling of Iraq, we were surprised by the gains we saw and the potential to produce not necessarily “victory” but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with.

    After the furnace-like heat, the first thing you notice when you land in Baghdad is the morale of our troops. In previous trips to Iraq we often found American troops angry and frustrated — many sensed they had the wrong strategy, were using the wrong tactics and were risking their lives in pursuit of an approach that could not work.

    Today, morale is high. The soldiers and marines told us they feel that they now have a superb commander in Gen. David Petraeus; they are confident in his strategy, they see real results, and they feel now they have the numbers needed to make a real difference.

    Everywhere, Army and Marine units were focused on securing the Iraqi population, working with Iraqi security units, creating new political and economic arrangements at the local level and providing basic services — electricity, fuel, clean water and sanitation — to the people. Yet in each place, operations had been appropriately tailored to the specific needs of the community. As a result, civilian fatality rates are down roughly a third since the surge began — though they remain very high, underscoring how much more still needs to be done.

    In Ramadi, for example, we talked with an outstanding Marine captain whose company was living in harmony in a complex with a (largely Sunni) Iraqi police company and a (largely Shiite) Iraqi Army unit. He and his men had built an Arab-style living room, where he met with the local Sunni sheiks — all formerly allies of Al Qaeda and other jihadist groups — who were now competing to secure his friendship.

    In Baghdad’s Ghazaliya neighborhood, which has seen some of the worst sectarian combat, we walked a street slowly coming back to life with stores and shoppers. The Sunni residents were unhappy with the nearby police checkpoint, where Shiite officers reportedly abused them, but they seemed genuinely happy with the American soldiers and a mostly Kurdish Iraqi Army company patrolling the street. The local Sunni militia even had agreed to confine itself to its compound once the Americans and Iraqi units arrived.

    We traveled to the northern cities of Tal Afar and Mosul. This is an ethnically rich area, with large numbers of Sunni Arabs, Kurds and Turkmens. American troop levels in both cities now number only in the hundreds because the Iraqis have stepped up to the plate. Reliable police officers man the checkpoints in the cities, while Iraqi Army troops cover the countryside. A local mayor told us his greatest fear was an overly rapid American departure from Iraq. All across the country, the dependability of Iraqi security forces over the long term remains a major question mark.

    But for now, things look much better than before. American advisers told us that many of the corrupt and sectarian Iraqi commanders who once infested the force have been removed. The American high command assesses that more than three-quarters of the Iraqi Army battalion commanders in Baghdad are now reliable partners (at least for as long as American forces remain in Iraq).

    In addition, far more Iraqi units are well integrated in terms of ethnicity and religion. The Iraqi Army’s highly effective Third Infantry Division started out as overwhelmingly Kurdish in 2005. Today, it is 45 percent Shiite, 28 percent Kurdish, and 27 percent Sunni Arab.

    In the past, few Iraqi units could do more than provide a few “jundis” (soldiers) to put a thin Iraqi face on largely American operations. Today, in only a few sectors did we find American commanders complaining that their Iraqi formations were useless — something that was the rule, not the exception, on a previous trip to Iraq in late 2005.

    The additional American military formations brought in as part of the surge, General Petraeus’s determination to hold areas until they are truly secure before redeploying units, and the increasing competence of the Iraqis has had another critical effect: no more whack-a-mole, with insurgents popping back up after the Americans leave.

    In war, sometimes it’s important to pick the right adversary, and in Iraq we seem to have done so. A major factor in the sudden change in American fortunes has been the outpouring of popular animus against Al Qaeda and other Salafist groups, as well as (to a lesser extent) against Moktada al-Sadr’s Mahdi Army.

    These groups have tried to impose Shariah law, brutalized average Iraqis to keep them in line, killed important local leaders and seized young women to marry off to their loyalists. The result has been that in the last six months Iraqis have begun to turn on the extremists and turn to the Americans for security and help. The most important and best-known example of this is in Anbar Province, which in less than six months has gone from the worst part of Iraq to the best (outside the Kurdish areas). Today the Sunni sheiks there are close to crippling Al Qaeda and its Salafist allies. Just a few months ago, American marines were fighting for every yard of Ramadi; last week we strolled down its streets without body armor.

    Another surprise was how well the coalition’s new Embedded Provincial Reconstruction Teams are working. Wherever we found a fully staffed team, we also found local Iraqi leaders and businessmen cooperating with it to revive the local economy and build new political structures. Although much more needs to be done to create jobs, a new emphasis on microloans and small-scale projects was having some success where the previous aid programs often built white elephants.

    In some places where we have failed to provide the civilian manpower to fill out the reconstruction teams, the surge has still allowed the military to fashion its own advisory groups from battalion, brigade and division staffs. We talked to dozens of military officers who before the war had known little about governance or business but were now ably immersing themselves in projects to provide the average Iraqi with a decent life.

    Outside Baghdad, one of the biggest factors in the progress so far has been the efforts to decentralize power to the provinces and local governments. But more must be done. For example, the Iraqi National Police, which are controlled by the Interior Ministry, remain mostly a disaster. In response, many towns and neighborhoods are standing up local police forces, which generally prove more effective, less corrupt and less sectarian. The coalition has to force the warlords in Baghdad to allow the creation of neutral security forces beyond their control.

    In the end, the situation in Iraq remains grave. In particular, we still face huge hurdles on the political front. Iraqi politicians of all stripes continue to dawdle and maneuver for position against one another when major steps towards reconciliation — or at least accommodation — are needed. This cannot continue indefinitely. Otherwise, once we begin to downsize, important communities may not feel committed to the status quo, and Iraqi security forces may splinter along ethnic and religious lines.

    How much longer should American troops keep fighting and dying to build a new Iraq while Iraqi leaders fail to do their part? And how much longer can we wear down our forces in this mission? These haunting questions underscore the reality that the surge cannot go on forever. But there is enough good happening on the battlefields of Iraq today that Congress should plan on sustaining the effort at least into 2008.

    Michael E. O’Hanlon is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. Kenneth M. Pollack is the director of research at the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at Brookings.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/opinion/30pollack.html?_r=2&bl&ex=1186027200&en=df36d007f9f051db&ei=5087%0A&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

    The first part is interesting as far as US politics go. With so many Democrats moving away from the words "possible," "might," "on track," and even things like "probably" and "inevitable" to words like "already is," "impossible," "lost," and the like, what happens if, IF, anything resembling a victory materializes?

    They have married their future to an American defeat. After all the doom and gloom, what happens if their prediction proves to be wrong?
    Last edited by Patroklos; August 1, 2007, 09:05.
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    This is good.

    As fay as what the dems do, eh.
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    • #3
      Interesting. Thanks Patroklos.
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      • #4
        There's progress in Anbar against the Salafis, but no one honestly believes ether that they're the primary problem in Iraq (foreign fighters make up a tiny portion of detained insurgents) or that we need to be there to see that work finish out. It's worth pointing out that Maliki is vociferously opposed to this strategy since he sees us backing his once and future oppenents in the civil war. He regularly gets in shouting matches with Petraeus, and has demanded that Bush fire him. Very healthy situation over there

        As for the popular animus against Sadr and the Mahdi Army, I'd attribute that to a health dose of making **** up.. It's worth pointing out that Sadr has recently rejoined the gov't. It's the same script we saw before: SIIC (formerly SCIRI)/Da'wa and Sadr piss each other off, split up, and Sistani knocks some heads and gets 'em to make up. On the ground, I certainly haven't heard of Sadr loosing influence. I have no idea what they're referring to

        But getting to the central point - the logic of the surge is all but bankrupt. Since we were supposed to create a breathing space for national reconciliation. And leaving aside the questionable existence of a breathing space (due to the weather, violence usually goes down during the Summer), none of the political benchmarks that Bush set for the Iraqi parliament were met, and they're about to take a month vacation. Needless to say, little's going to change between now and when Petraeus hands in his report.

        And including their supposed anti-war credentials in the article is cute. As has been thoroughly documented in the blogospher (see Glenn Greenwald and Greg Sargent), they've been supporters of both the initial invasion and the "surge."

        As for what the Dems'll do when everything's peachy and the country becomes a Disney-themed amusment park, well I guess they'd be pretty screwed. And I'm sure that'll happen...
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        • #5
          none of the political benchmarks that Bush set for the Iraqi parliament were met, and they're about to take a month vacation.
          You are suprised a group of brand new elected leaders working in an basically made from scratch government system are taking more than 3 months to settle the driving issues of 50 million people?

          And including their supposed anti-war credentials in the article is cute.
          They know how the game is played, good for them stomping out the smear tactics ahead of time. They have been dodging barbs from people much smarter/cunning than you or I all day and the media has already given up.

          They are legit.

          thoroughly documented in the blogospher
          Yeah, a resounding defeat surely

          they've been supporters of both the initial invasion and the "surge."
          If you mean there were not the normal harbrigners of doom and gloom you are correct.
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          • #6
            You are suprised a group of brand new elected leaders working in an basically made from scratch government system are taking more than 3 months to settle the driving issues of 50 million people?
            Again, none of the major issues have been addressed in the least. They failed precisely the same benchmarks that Bush set for them. All of them. And the last Parliamentary election was over a year and a half ago, so no, this isn't a newly elected Parliament that has only had three months to get its act together. It's worth pointing out that Jaafari also failed to resolve these issues during his year in power after being elected in January of 2005 and when violence was considerably lower than it is right now (i.e. before the Al-Askariya mosque bombing when all hell broke lose). Placing the beginning of time after the "surge" started is ludicrous.

            If you mean there were not the normal harbrigners of doom and gloom you are correct.
            No, I mean specifically supporting the invasion and the surge as policies. Painting themselves as the harshest of critics is ridiculous. And how exactly is that a "smear?" What a pathetic charge...
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            • #7
              See here, for instance:
              Returning to marvel once again at the deceitful Brookings Institution media spectacle.


              But I'm not sure why I'm wasting my time disputing their characterizations of themselves when the substance of their article is a total joke.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Patroklos

                ...to settle the driving issues of 50 million people?
                Slightly off topic, but I've seen this elsewhere too. Where does this 50 million figure come from?
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                • #9
                  Oh yeah, didn't even notice that...
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                  • #10
                    Re: It Seems All Is Not Lost, Despite What Some Say

                    Originally posted by Patroklos

                    The left has been trying to downplay the credentials of these guys on the news and radio all day, but they have not found any traction. They are of the same house.
                    Ken Pollack is a moron who wrote a completely stupid book justifying the war that turned out to be completely wrong.

                    The fact that he is still in print at all is a testament to the corruption and general uselessness of the news media.

                    In any decent society, he would be swinging from a lamp post, along with all the other warmongering liars.
                    Only feebs vote.

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                    • #11
                      I would like to hear some no-BS information on how good Petraeus is doing, according to the troops. He's the first general that we've had who has made known that he wants to fight this war as a classic counter-insurgency -- in fact, he seems to relish the opportunity. The others really want no part of something like that. They have no background in it and want no background in it, as far as I can tell.

                      It's tough to see through the avalanche of spears that Petraeus is catching here in DC.
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                      • #12
                        I've told you prople a dozen times, minimum, that I talk to Iraq veterans all the time, many returning to Iraq.
                        They all say the same, don't stop until it's done.
                        I'll listen to them over anybody else.
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                        • #13
                          Glenn Greenwald = Hack whose best and only (as far as I can ever tell) logical arguements are the fine art of strawman and ad-hominem.

                          I figured I'ld let this one play out a bit and let someone else post. But sure as the sun rises I knew immediately as soon as I heard of this story the inevitable response would be kill the messenger memes from leftistan. Not surprising or for that matter imaginitive.

                          Happened with Burns as well when he reported all was looking surprisingly well in Anbar.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SlowwHand
                            I've told you prople a dozen times, minimum, that I talk to Iraq veterans all the time, many returning to Iraq.
                            They all say the same, don't stop until it's done.
                            I'll listen to them over anybody else.
                            They aren't paying for it.

                            Anyway, they daren't say any different because, if they dare to criticize the war, they will get fragged like Pat Tillman did.
                            Only feebs vote.

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                            • #15
                              leftist propaganda skills


                              The left doesnt even want to see a victory.
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