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    Lorizael's having girl issues. Shocker!

    So, I've had two girlfriends. The first one very nearly forced herself on me; the second one was delivered to me in a box on my birthday. What this means is that I've had very little experience in the dating department. That is to say, I've never done it.

    I believe that I am currently attempting to pursue a female, but I don't know if I'm going about it the right way. Well, no, I'm not going about it the right way. In fact, this all started in an incredibly strange manner. What I don't know is whether or not the method I'm employing is going to be effective.

    I will call this anonymous potential female Jane. Jane and I have known each other for four years, but couldn't really be considered friends. We talk online sometimes, live in the same neighborhood, and occasionally get together with a good friend of mine (Michael) to go to Denny's at two in the morning to have a good time.

    I like Jane. Jane is smart, creative, talented, open-minded, confident, spiritual, able to remain happy and optimistic despite having a pretty bizarre perspective on the universe (which happens to mirror mine in some ways), and damn sexy.

    I'm insane. I develop strange little obsessions for women that are entirely unhealthy and don't go away until I find a new one to pass it on to. Jane is the current focal point of something that has been going strong since kindergarten. To curb this horribly bad habit of mine, I decided that I would try a different course of action this time around (other than hunting her down on the internet and finding out everything about her while never saying a word to her, that is). I decided that I would have a conversation with her.

    Jane is a flake. Jane also goes to college in Rhode Island (but is home (in Maryland) for summer break now). Jane is bad at modern forms of communication. Lorizael is bad at initiating communication with females. Lorizael becomes discouraged easily and assumes the worst intentions of those he tries to talk to.

    What this all boils down to is that Jane and I have this kind of friendship in moments, where most of the time we're nothing at all, but every once in awhile we come together and have a great time or help the other through some emotional crisis or in other ways be friends when we are normally not.

    I don't like this situation. I feel that Jane and I really connect to each other and, if given the chance, we could develop a really great friendship. I think this friends only once in awhile thing is kind of frustrating.

    I decided to have a conversation with Jane, in which I told her all of that.

    I did this. She responded probably as well as I could have expected. She laughed through part of it, and then explained that she had just tried to do something similar while up at college, but the person she tried to do this with had completely rejected her and she hadn't gotten a new friend out of it. Hooray for empathy. We talked about random philosophical stuff (which is what we often talk about) for half an hour. Then she went to leave. Before she did, though, she told me that we would, indeed, talk more. And she said she meant. She said that sounds like the sort of thing you're supposed to say in this kind of situation, but she actually means it.

    That was two and a half weeks ago. Since then, I've hung out with her once. Jane is a flake. I have attempted to arrange getting together with Jane several times in the past two and a half weeks, but have been pretty much completely unsuccessful. Jane doesn't get online. Jane doesn't answer her phone or text messages. Jane is almost never at home.

    But. Every time I do manage to run into Jane (I am forced to park my car in a visitor spot very close to her house) she says, "Hey Lorizael you should call me some time," or, "We should get together to do something," or in other ways suggests that we should hang out. But whenever I actually try to hang out with her, she's busy, but always encourages me to try again later.

    Last Friday I called her to see if she wanted to get some dinner, but she didn't answer her phone. I happened to run into her later that day and she goes, "Hey Lorizael you never call me, you should do that." I casually mentioned that I had earlier that day, and she goes, "Gah, man, I never check my messages. Well, call me again some time."

    So, when do I take the hint? When do I realize that Jane wants nothing to do with me? Or should I trust that she is, in fact, completely and totally busy all the time and that whenever she does actually get some free time, she will want to spend it with me. Also, if I decide I want to, is it too late to transition from friends hanging out to some sort of romantic/dating type of situation?

    Save me, Apolyton.
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  • #2
    Keep trying.

    edit for clarity: in general, keep trying. KH is probably right about Jane. I mean keep trying the "actually speaking to girls you like" thing.

    -Arrian
    Last edited by Arrian; June 27, 2007, 12:23.
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    • #3
      Umm, take a break from all internet save Apolyton

      Go out, go to grocery stores, department stores, electronic stores, video stores, ect.

      Strike up a casual conversation sans any 1 on 1 intentions.

      Ask anything from in the food store, whats the easiest way to bake fish
      or bake chicken

      in other stores same, insert item there.

      Just build up experiencing interaction.

      Now go out and when you find yourself attracted to (not necessarily in a sexual way) someone, strike up a conversation, perhaps suggest bowling or a movie or maybe pool.

      Just some free advice.

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      • #4
        Here's the deal:

        I have no idea whether Jane is just a flake or is simply stringing you along for some sort of weird girl-type reason.

        The secret is it doesn't matter.

        You have given Jane every opportunity. You've made your move. If she doesn't respond, it's time to back off. Stop calling her. Don't be rude or anything, but stop chasing her. If she's actually interested she'll start to make moves on you. If she's not, you won't be making a fool of yourself any more than you already have (I'm not being harsh; we all make fools of ourselves for girls at some point).

        In other words, take the power back. Let her call you for a change. Let her suggest going out for coffee/dinner/mind-blowing monkey sex.

        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
        Stadtluft Macht Frei
        Killing it is the new killing it
        Ultima Ratio Regum

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        • #5
          Oh no! Different advice from different people I respect!

          Edit: Phew. Arrian conforms to KH.
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          • #6
            editted.

            -Arrian
            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by KrazyHorse
              Here's the deal:

              I have no idea whether Jane is just a flake or is simply stringing you along for some sort of weird girl-type reason.

              The secret is it doesn't matter.

              You have given Jane every opportunity. You've made your move. If she doesn't respond, it's time to back off. Stop calling her. Don't be rude or anything, but stop chasing her. If she's actually interested she'll start to make moves on you. If she's not, you won't be making a fool of yourself any more than you already have (I'm not being harsh; we all make fools of ourselves for girls at some point).

              In other words, take the power back. Let her call you for a change. Let her suggest going out for coffee/dinner/mind-blowing monkey sex.

              Exactly. Show her you're not a poodle.
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              • #8
                Yes, and I agree with Arrian that talking to *****es is the only way to **** them.

                It's an unfortunate fact of life, mod the occasional drunk hook up.
                12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                Stadtluft Macht Frei
                Killing it is the new killing it
                Ultima Ratio Regum

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LordShiva
                  Exactly. Show her you're not a poodle.
                  I read this as, "Show her your poodle."
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                  • #10
                    You have given Jane every opportunity. You've made your move. If she doesn't respond, it's time to back off....In other words, take the power back. Let her call you for a change.
                    The middle road here is to, next time she says "oh, you should call me" right after you already did and left a message she ignored, is to suggest she call you. And then do what KH said - back off and see what happens.

                    -Arrian
                    grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                    The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                    • #11
                      No!

                      STAND TALL LORI
                      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                      Stadtluft Macht Frei
                      Killing it is the new killing it
                      Ultima Ratio Regum

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                        Yes, and I agree with Arrian that talking to *****es is the only way to **** them.

                        It's an unfortunate fact of life, mod the occasional drunk hook up.
                        There is talking in the drunk hookup scenario too, it's just that being drunk makes the talking easier, and you may not remember it later.

                        -Arrian
                        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                        The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Arrian
                          The middle road here is to, next time she says "oh, you should call me" right after you already did and left a message she ignored, is to suggest she call you. And then do what KH said - back off and see what happens.

                          -Arrian
                          Others have suggested this. It was also my initial thought, but I pretty much always assume my instincts about girls are wrong.
                          Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
                          "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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                          • #14
                            Give up. She's not worth it.

                            She's taking the piss by making you run around. She ignores you and then accuses you of ignoring her. Next time she says "oh call me" just say "I keep doing that and you ignore me - forget it."

                            If you see her somewhere where there are other women, try to strike up a conversation with another women. Don't be Jane's doe-eyed lapdog.

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                            • #15
                              Something to bear in mind when taking advice about women from me:

                              1) I've had 2 serious girlfriends, and there was a third who would've been, but I was too ****ed up in the head for that to happen at the time. Which probably saved me, but that's another matter.
                              2) #2 is my wife.
                              3) My wife hunted me down.
                              4) #1 was the one I chased, and though I did at one point "stand tall" (successfully, leading directly to her becoming my gf), I now believe that me chasing her left me at a disadvantage in the relationship that I never quite dug myself out of.

                              So on the one hand I'm happily married. I have, in fact, attracted women. However, my experience is quite limited, and my feeble attempts pre-college were often much as you describe (minus the internet stalking stuff).

                              -Arrian
                              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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