Is this graph correct?

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by LordShiva


QFFalse

Base 16 or 12 is where it should'a' been at.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Kidicious

Progression is a very western thing.

Capitalism is the key.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by LordShiva
QFFalse

Is this just a horse**** statement, or do you have some rational thinking behind it?

[Whoha]

They grabbed arabic numerals from India I believe.

[BeBMan]

Also dark age arabs makes no sense. Though dannubis wrote "dark age arabs" so maybe he was aware of that. /pedant

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Whoha
They grabbed arabic numerals from India I believe.

Ah ha! Thus spakes Wikipedia:

Arabic numerals, known formally as Hindu-Arabic numerals, and also as Indian numerals, Hindu numerals, Western Arabic numerals, European numerals, or Western numerals, are the most common symbolic representation of numbers around the world. They are considered an important milestone in the development of mathematics.

One may distinguish between the positional system involved, also known as the Hindu-Arabic numeral system, and the precise glyphs used. The glyphs most commonly used in conjunction with the Latin alphabet since Early Modern times are 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9.

The numerals arose in India between 400 BC and 400 AD.[1][2] They were transmitted first to West Asia, where they find mention in the 9th century, and eventually to Europe in the 10th century.[1] Since knowledge of the numerals reached Europe through the work of Arab and Persian mathematicians and astronomers, the numerals came to be called "Arabic numerals." In Arabic language itself, the Eastern Arabic numerals are called "Indian numerals," ÃÑÞÇã åäÏíÉ, (arqam hindiyyah) and a different set of symbols are used as numerals.

[OzzyKP]

aneeshm in 3...2...1...

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
aneeshm in 3...2...1...

Oooooh, Arabic numerals....no, no, I mean Hindu-Arabic numerals....no Hindu numerals, that it, yeah, Hindu numerals

[Odin]

Classical Science stagnated during the Hellenistic period, many centuries before the Western Roman Empire fell. Had the mindset of the Pre-Socratics held on Graeco-Roman society would of had a good chance of having a scientific revolution. The only thing the Pre-Socratics missed was testing thier hypotheses, had they done that the Scientific Revolution would of occurred 2500 years ago.

[Winston]

Classical Science stagnated during the Hellenistic period, many centuries before the Western Roman Empire fell. Had the mindset of the Pre-Socratics held on Graeco-Roman society would of had a good chance of having a scientific revolution. The only thing the Pre-Socratics missed was testing thier hypotheses, had they done that the Scientific Revolution would of occurred 2500 years ago.

Yes, and there'd be a good chance that everyone would of learned by now that it's "would've" in written English.

[Dis]

I'm getting tired of attacks on christianity. It seems to be in style now. It's cool in heavy metal songs, but other than that, I'm tired of it. People think they are so smart attacking christianity. Like they are any more enlightened. They are just saying what they heard from other people. They never came to these conclusions themselves, they cannot think for themselves any more than a christian can.

[dannubis]

Originally posted by Ecthy
dannubis, do you know what period the term 'dark ages' usually refers to?

ay...

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Do you recall that because you were there at the time?

Molly, LOTM - scientific advance over a period of time is not well-represented by any singular example.

Ecthy- Japher was trying to say that advances in science in India, the East and in Islam had little or no effect on the rest of the world.


If the Christian Italian Fibonacci was using and studying Hindu/South East Asian advances in mathematics and notation introduced to North Africa by Islamic savants, then I'd say that science in Islam and the rest of Asia wasn't working in an hermetically sealed environment.

There was also a school of translators based at Toledo who worked on bilingual translations of Arabic scientific texts, and spread the learning throughout Europe.


Anyone who thinks that the advances in the Islamic world (made by Muslim, Christian and Jewish scientists) weren't important or influential, should go back to multiplying with Roman numerals only, give up modern medicine and hand back any prescription glasses or contact lenses.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Dauphin
Even ignoring the rest of the world I disagree with the notion that no development occured in European dark age societies.

There certainly were developments, but it was harder for someone like the Venerable Bede to contribute as much as someone like ibn Sina or al Rhazes, because Bede was near the outermost part of Christian European learning, and unfortunately close to pagan raiders.

If you were an Islamic scholar in Cordoba, or Kairouan or Cairo or Baghdad, then you had a unified civilization stretching from the border with France to Central Asia, western India and as far east as Canton.

That's a lot of influences and new products and schools of learning linked by one language.

Also, Islamic scholars tried to do what Aquinas did, and justify faith by reason, using Aristotle.

Not only did the Muslims have Greek texts (preserved by heretic Nestorian monks) to comment on, but they had the advances made in Sassanid Iran, the knowledge of China and India to call upon.

[Dauphin]

I'm assuming you are making an aside or adding a tangent to what I said because I don't disagree. The OP graphical troll was saying that the world stagnated because of Christian Europe's dark ages. You can focus on the fact that Christian Europe is not the world, I was focusing on the fact that the dark ages weren't the pit of absolute stagnation that is implied.