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The "dark ages" ended when the last of the raiding vikings were converted to Christianity, which was the end of the tenth century. 1066 was one Christian country conquering another, and not all that notable if you didn't happen to be either Anglo-Saxon or Norman.
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What's mostly messed up about that post is that it clearly emphasizes "Christian Dark Ages".
As noted above, it was largely christianity that brought civilization OUT of the dark ages. The dark ages were largely caused by the fall of the Roman empire and the lapse of "civilization" due to increased barbarian/criminal activity, lack of trade as a result, and the failure of Rome to provide the services and such that the people of Rome were used to.
The fact that people were forced to spend more time surviving than studying and working on scientific advancement was not the fault of christianity in any meaningful way; and the preservation of the knowledge of the Roman empire, to the extent that it was preserved, was as a result of the Catholic church maintaining it.
The Church may have been periodically against certain scientific advancements; but overall it was not nearly as anti-technology as some religions [including modern day christianity].<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
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Anyways, the dark ages was a phenomena confined to Europe. As Molly Bloom pointed out, the Islamic societies of the second third of the first millenium were as much a heir of greco-roman knowledge and practice as were the Rennaisance societies. That graph is history at its most stupid. Well, near its most stupid."Remember, there's good stuff in American culture, too. It's just that by "good stuff" we mean "attacking the French," and Germany's been doing that for ages now, so, well, where does that leave us?" - ElokComment
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Sometimes, you're so right you got to say it twice.Last edited by Admiral; June 21, 2007, 09:59."Remember, there's good stuff in American culture, too. It's just that by "good stuff" we mean "attacking the French," and Germany's been doing that for ages now, so, well, where does that leave us?" - ElokComment
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Even ignoring the rest of the world I disagree with the notion that no development occured in European dark age societies.One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.Comment
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Yeah, and esp. if the graph has the dark ages from (before) 1000-1400 AD
Also, what do we make of those guys in the Byzantine Empire which can count as European (at least in part) and even Christian (just not catholic)? They didn't have a comparable dark age....well until 1204 maybe.BlahComment
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The single greatest mathematical advance was developed by "dark age arabs": the decimal numbering system.
During the dark ages:
There were cathedrals being build of more than 100 meters high consisting mostly of glass windows...
Tons of literature and paintings were made...
These so-called dark ages weren't so dark as they seem."Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."Comment
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dannubis, do you know what period the term 'dark ages' usually refers to?Comment
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Between 7pm and 7am usually. Season varying of course.One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.Comment
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Is that when cathedrals are built in Kent? I understand immigrant workers work cheap at night.Comment
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That is a really good point...I suppose any such graphical representation is going to end up being extraordinarily simplistic.Originally posted by molly bloom
If it were about preferred flavours of ice cream, perhaps.
As regards scientific advances, it's pants.
Specifically in relation to advances in Islam in astronomy, optics, medicine and mathematics and to advances in mathematics in South East Asia and India.Speaking of Erith:
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The discussion page (not the article itself) on wiki about "Dark Ages" is quite interesting.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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What are they discussing there?BlahComment
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QFFalseOriginally posted by dannubis
The single greatest mathematical advance was developed by "dark age arabs": the decimal numbering system.THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
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I think the graph is wrong because I don't see a break in the progression. I think the dark ages were a needed part of the progression. I don't think there would be an acceleration in progression without the dark ages along with other things.
I'm also saying that eastern civs would not have had an accelerated progression like western civ because of their different history.
Progression is a very western thing.Last edited by Kidlicious; June 21, 2007, 12:19.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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