Putin warns on U.S. missiles in Europe

[Provost Harrison]

Target your missiles...they probably don't work any more, anyway

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Nothing about the present balance between Russia and the US/NATO is changed by a single AM base in Poland. If it comes to blows the world is still over.

You seem to overemphasize that currently this missile shield is helpless against Russia. True. But it firmly sets up a potential that it won't be the case on the future. This mere fact destroys the strategic balance.

The balance that changes is that a rogue state could now not be sure that a single missile or a small number of them will strike targets in NA or Europe.

Perhaps.

[Ecthy]

Originally posted by DaShi
Raise your hand if you're worried about an attack from Russia.

People fail to make the necessary distinction between an imminent threat on one hand and the loss of a long-term built level of communication and diplomacy such as a functioning security architecture. Take as an example their threat to leave the treaty on conventional forces. Looking at their forces it seems a laugh, but it does disturb relations which, if they were better, could serve to solve problems in other fields.

In case of no clashing interests good relations are still preferable to bad ones. In case of clashing interests this holds even more.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Target your missiles...they probably don't work any more, anyway

Such rumors are pretty much outdated.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Ecthy


People fail to make the necessary distinction between an imminent threat on one hand and the loss of a long-term built level of communication and diplomacy such as a functioning security architecture. Take as an example their threat to leave the treaty on conventional forces. Looking at their forces it seems a laugh, but it does disturb relations which, if they were better, could serve to solve problems in other fields.

Don't laugh too much. The Russian forces are at their highest since the fall of the Soviet Union.

And relations sometimes need to be disturbed. If partners don't get some simple things, that is.

In case of no clashing interests good relations are still preferable to bad ones. In case of clashing interests this holds even more.

Sometimes it's necessary for the relations to worsen before they could get any better.

[Ecthy]

You sound like Lenin

I think Russia's strategy is more like bargaining, because they realise that they have a choice that we don't - that between Asia and the west. They know we want their resources, so they play hard to get. Like with a girl, the kind of story that results in really good sex. So I don't really reject your idea. Just saying that in the short run it looks like the shattering of a valued diplomatic edifice.

[DRoseDARs]

I think the bigger question here is who the **** cares what Russia and Pooty-Pout thinks? They literally couldn't pay their military to do jack, given the state has almost no money since the fall of the USSR, let alone participate in a nuclear war which would utterly devastate an already hobbled Russia.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Ecthy
You sound like Lenin

Indeed. Upbringing, you know.

I think Russia's strategy is more like bargaining, because they realise that they have a choice that we don't - that between Asia and the west. They know we want their resources, so they play hard to get. Like with a girl, the kind of story that results in really good sex. So I don't really reject your idea. Just saying that in the short run it looks like the shattering of a valued diplomatic edifice.

So let us hope that we (Europe and Russia) will eventually join in an ecstatic embrace.

[Ecthy]

The question is who will fvck who in the ass

Drose, that is exactly the attitude I was talking about though I think an American shouldn't worry so much.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
I think the bigger question here is who the **** cares what Russia and Pooty-Pout thinks? They literally couldn't pay their military to do jack, given the state has almost no money since the fall of the USSR, let alone participate in a nuclear war which would utterly devastate an already hobbled Russia.

Your info is outdated. And don't extrapolate what you don't care about to other (presumably more serious) people.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by The Vagabond
Your info is outdated.

So we aren't paying you to do something that you should be doing yourselves (securing your nuclear stocks)?

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Ecthy
The question is who will fvck who in the ass

I don't think it will go any further than just an embrace.

That is, we'll never agree to join the decadent EU, however much you may supplicate.

[Ecthy]

We don't want that and never will.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
So we aren't paying you to do something that you should be doing yourselves (securing your nuclear stocks)?

You are certainly paying, to mutual benefit.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Ecthy
We don't want that and never will.

Never say never.