Putin warns on U.S. missiles in Europe

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Sprayber


No, it just makes us look at you and say WTF. At least the British have delt with their change in world standing by accepting reality and actually making a good showing in world affairs with what they have instead of stomping their feet around trying to be more important than they are. Just because you act like the old Soviet Union, doesn't mean you can be as important some day.

Good for the Brits. They found their niche. Russia did not yet. No one wants to act like the old Soviet Union, but it becomes clear that acting nice and ***** doesn't help much. Let's try another way. If something doesn't work you should try something different, shouldn't you?

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Sprayber


This is really what its all about. Not Russian security. It's about Russia being pissed as hell that they didn't have the ability to prevent western influience in what they truely believe as their area. The Poles don't have to ask your premission to do anything anymore so get over it.

Oh no, please not this BS again...

I just started this thread by saying that the deployment of the anti-missile defense shifts the long-established strategic balance. We have got too far from the original point.

[DaShi]

Yes, but the counterpoint has been that the balance has already shifted. Russia doesn't factor (as much) anymore and that's where the rumbles from Moscow are coming from.

[SlowwHand]

Excuse me, but I started the thread, and this is pretty much my point still.
Putin getting all pissy and thumping his chest for attention.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by The Vagabond

If something doesn't work you should try something different, shouldn't you?

Different? Russia has played the bully for hundreds of years. How is this any different? The only difference is that the number of countries that can be bullied by Russia has decreased over the years. Is it any wonder the Poles and other countries around Russia practically leapt into the arms of the West?

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by DaShi
Yes, but the counterpoint has been that the balance has already shifted.

But not the mutually-assured-annihilation balance (at least not as much as the other types of balances).

Russia doesn't factor (as much) anymore and that's where the rumbles from Moscow are coming from.

Very well. Even if so. I don't see anything wrong with a country having healthy ambitions.

[Pekka]

"Domestic problems can't be solved by neglecting the exterior environment."

Well, that's why they are called domestic problems you know? Or is this teh fault of Estonia as well? Why don't you pick someone your size or why is Russia fraid to punk someone who actually is at the same weight class... Oh I know why, that would pretty much destroy the myth of the power, so all the nationalists would have to commit a suicide in shame

Anyway, please continue when you come out of the dart wader mode of setting up statements. The rooskie rhetorics is long gone when someone listened. Not even a rusty nuke will change that. Focus on selling cabbage and scrap metal.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Excuse me, but I started the thread,

Sorry. I should have said "I joined this thread by saying..."

and this is pretty much my point still.
Putin getting all pissy and thumping his chest for attention.

So now it's just attention.

Actually, striving for attention is nothing wrong per se.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by The Vagabond
Very well. Even if so. I don't see anything wrong with a country having healthy ambitions.

Russia's neighbors are very aware of Russian ambitions.


Along with the spirt of the thread. I hate it when a country warns another country about something. My immediate reaction is 'or what'.

The US has warned everybody over something or another but once I want to hear an offical statement from a country to be "so what are you gonna do about"

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Sprayber



Different? Russia has played the bully for hundreds of years. How is this any different? The only difference is that the number of countries that can be bullied by Russia has decreased over the years. Is it any wonder the Poles and other countries around Russia practically leapt into the arms of the West?

No great power has its hands completely clean.

Perhaps we should disband the Russian Federation in one big bout of guilt?

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Sprayber


Russia's neighbors are very aware of Russian ambitions.

Along with the spirt of the thread. I hate it when a country warns another country about something. My immediate reaction is 'or what'.

Putin said "what". The missiles will be redirected. Russia will withdraw from the conventional arms treaty. Very concrete promises.

[Pekka]

Blah blah blah, all this talks. Why is Russia so impotent. Come on, get it up and get going. We're tired of waiting for you already. Come on, show us the weapons of peace already. What's taking so long, hey comrades, pick up your stuff and start winning the peace. Let's show those foreigners what we really mean when our identity and self worth is low. It's not our fault that they're doing so good. It's their fault that we're not so good. Let's bash them in the face if we can. All this impotence is making pretty girls cry, maybe this is why the population is declining. Let's at least try come on ONWARRRDS!!! FOR IDENTITYY!!



Bottom line, you are poor, you have no power, no one cares about you, everyone hates you and we just wish you guys fumbled the ball and vanished from the earth. DISMISSED!

[SlowwHand]

Pekka, jeez. Then what are we going to do for vodka?
Don't be so hasty.

[Pekka]

Naah, it's just funny when Putin gives his periodic 'you better watch out' messages. What's even funnier is that basically the country is still paying for it's communism, all the satellite countries are getting up because they let it go earlier. I mean look at the world. Youh ave 3rd world countries and then you have rich countries, then you have former satellites that are getting to be rich countries soon and they would already be one of them, but since they were hugged by communism, they aren't. That crap made them all poor and they still pay for it, now they ask 'why are we so poor?'. It's because you suck, basically. 3rd world has had much more complex issues that they have to fight, but for commies... you just dropped the ball and are in denial. It sucks for the ordinary citizen, it's not their fault. But what can you do..

SO they get all fired up and people are saying come on, what's up, and what they do is sucker punch the little guy standing on the side (Estonia). Just to... just to prove that they aren't girlie men, but that's exactly what they are. It's funny.

And instead of fixing the problems, they just create alternative reality. no wonder identities are lost.

Bottom line, if you talk tough, better be able to back it up, or stop talking tough. Sucker punching under aged by standers isn't exactly a show of power. That's realpolitiks for everyone.

[Lazerus]

Losing Russias resources before we wake up and get some more nuclear reactors built is more of a concern then their nukes.