Where to live?

[Zkribbler]

Two guys meet on a street in London. After a few moments, they realize they're both of Armenian extraction.
"So?" asks one of them, "what part of Glendale are you from?"

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I'll break it down for you since you are having such a hard time figuring it out.

In post #132 you took immigration figures from 2000 which only covered LA county and then used that figure to cover all of greater LA leaving off 4/5ths of Greater LA.

Um, no, I posted a US Census Bureau link which provided a figure for all of greater LA. You apparently still don't believe this covers everything. I posted another link which is a snapshot of LA county to illustrate some specific discrepancies.

Next, in the same post, you posted a profile of the average immigrant for the entire United States which is an extremely different profile from what is found in a major city like LA.

??? I don't even know what this is.

Also in the same post you posted 2001 data for the entire Toronto Metro area after which you falsely declared victory. Your errors were pointed out to you and you responded with childish insults. A true sign of someone winning.

I posted census data from Toronto to compare with the same period's census data from the US. You know, comparing apples to apples. The data showed that once you excluded Latin Americans, the entire greater LA area had less TOTAL foreign born people than Toronto.

In post #115 I had posted the break down for the entire Greater LA area showing the immigrant population of all of Greater LA was 2-3 times Toronto metro area with a total population of 4-5 times higher thus proving that LA was more cosmopolitan then Toronto.

You invented a percentage, then applied it to 2006 data.

Finally in post 202 you posted Census data form yet another year dealing only with 3 of the 5 counties which make up Greater LA.

Except it deals with the entire area, which for some reason you can't accept.

My point still stands unrefuted. Greater LA has 4-5 times as many people, 3-4 times as many immigrants

It actually stands fully refuted, on top of which you ignore the fact that with so many more people, there are actually fewer immigrants from non-Latin American countries. I'm not sure how that speaks to diversity.

In LA you can eat food from any part of the world exactly as it is served in its home country. There is more of EVERYTHING including immigrants and children of immigrants, there are more foreign languages spoken (though many are spoken bilingually as second generation children of immigrants; especially the children of European immigrants). In short Toronto is not on the same level LA is; it is still a nice place but it can't be compared to places like New York and LA. It's more of a Chicago.

Um, you can do the same things in Toronto. You simply have no clue how diverse this city is. Note again, diverse is not the same as the greatest city in the world. And I'm not sure where you get this absurd idea that immigrants have been flocking to LA longer than Toronto.

[Apocalypse]

Actually the politically correct term the US now uses is "Tossed Salad" because "Melting Pot" implies there are weak cultures.

I am being completely serious. I had a class on this.

[Dinner]

I guess many of the middle easterners pass as either white or hispanic. They're still there though. Same as the ethnic Japanese and old Europeans. The US does seem to push people into looking, acting, and talking like an American though while Canada attempts to help people keep their native culture. I'm not sure which approach is better though they are different.

[Perfection]

Prediction: Asher's gonna end up eating a steady diet of government cheese and living in a van down by the river!

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Asher

Gee, we don't have those outside of LA.

I was a minority in high school as a white guy, and Toronto's even worse.

[lord of the mark]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Asher

Gee, we don't have those outside of LA.

I didnt say you dont (since I live in the middle of greater DCs Koreatown, Im certainly aware there are asian immigrants outside of LA.

I was merely pointing out that you cant reduce LAs diversity to just Latin Americans and American Blacks.

While US has tons of whites, blacks, and hispanics, Canada has tons of whites and tons of a million other ethnicities.

While Canada apparently has more immigrants relative to population than the US, the notion that the US does not have millions of Asians, middle easterners, africans, west indians, and europeans from every origin, is quite incorrect.

When I go to LA I don't get the impression of a cosmopolitan city, I get the impression of a Spanish, Black, and White city.

I would respectfully suggest that your view of the city was fairly limited, then.

[lord of the mark]

so i ask you

which is more diverse, greater Dee Cee, or greater Ottawa?

[Arrian]

Much like Toronto v. LA, who gives a ****?

-Arrian

[KrazyHorse]

Language spoken at home other than Spanish or English

5 counties: 2073000

Toronto: 1735000 (also excludes French)

The 5 counties region has 2.5 times the area of the Toronto CMA and has 3.5 times as many people, yet outside those from Latin America/those speaking Spanish Toronto has similar numbers of "foreigners". No single ethnic group dominated Toronto's foreign population, therefore my conclusion is that Toronto is a far more "diverse" city than Los Angeles is.

[Asher]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
I didnt say you dont (since I live in the middle of greater DCs Koreatown, Im certainly aware there are asian immigrants outside of LA.

I was merely pointing out that you cant reduce LAs diversity to just Latin Americans and American Blacks.

I'm merely pointing out your contribution was inane and pointless.

While Canada apparently has more immigrants relative to population than the US, the notion that the US does not have millions of Asians, middle easterners, africans, west indians, and europeans from every origin, is quite incorrect.

That notion was never made.

Your contribution is inane and pointless.

I would respectfully suggest that your view of the city was fairly limited, then.

Would you recommend I visit the Jewish segment of the city to get a true sense of the diversity?

The whole point isn't in sheer numbers. When you walk around in downtown Toronto, for instance, you can instantly see MANY different ethnicities and cultures at once. The same effect isn't true for NYC or LA or any American city I've been to.

The numbers support this too. In terms of "per capita diversity", I'm pretty sure Toronto's at or near the top. LA's nowhere close, though I'm sure it has lots of immigrants itself, it has way too many of three major ethnicities to make it as diverse as a city as Toronto.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Kontiki
You invented a percentage, then applied it to 2006 data.

You are a dumb ass Kontiki.

I've already posted the link to the 41% figure.

Here's a link to a 30% figure covering just LA and Orange Counties. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0904135.html

On page 8 of this PDF file is a map showing foreign born population by county for three of the five counties it is between 20%-50% and for the other two it is between 11%-20%. http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-34.pdf

Here's one which uses the same 35% figure I used. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1447359

And to top it off here is the original source I looked up which states 34.8% of the population in LA county are foreign born. http://www.laalmanac.com/immigration/im06.htm

In short Kontiki, you are a tool. An idiot making false claims. A dullard who will not admit he is wrong and who is now claiming I lied when it is easy enough to provide links to where I got my figures. With estimates all over the place I took the conservative 35% figure though if we really wanted to get an accurate figure then we can take KH's hard numbers and compare them to the total population for each of the five counties and get a true figure. Here's a hit which even you can follow... It will be right around 35%!

[Asher]

Re: so i ask you

Originally posted by lord of the mark
which is more diverse, greater Dee Cee, or greater Ottawa?

They're both hellholes filled with politician scum.

[lord of the mark]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Asher

Would you recommend I visit the Jewish segment of the city to get a true sense of the diversity?

Not particularly. Though now that YOU mention it, LA happens to have a VERY diverse jewish community, with large numbers of Jews from a variety of middle eastern countries, in particular.

The whole point isn't in sheer numbers. When you walk around in downtown Toronto, for instance, you can instantly see MANY different ethnicities and cultures at once.

Thats what I saw on the Dee Cee metro just this morning.

LA isnt that kind of walking city, youd have to go to Hollywood or somewhere like that to find that in LA, I guess.

[KrazyHorse]

Now, if you want to talk "ethnicity", then I'd agree that LA is more diverse than TO.

That's basically a snapshot of the difference between the US and Canada in terms of diversity, by the way. The US has a larger number of native-born blacks and either native-born or immigrant Hispanics. Canada has a larger number of native-born French speakers, a larger number of both native-born and immigrant East Asians, South Asians, Arabs and Southern and Eastern Europeans and a larger number of foreign born blacks (mainly from Haiti and West Africa)