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  • Galileo at the trough of EU taxpayer money

    Was I naive in expecting something a little bit more than a tech jobs program with Galileo? Wasn't this system supposed to be commercial and profitable? Could someone tell me again why the EU is spending $4 billion to build this system?

    GPS NEWS
    EU Sees Public Money Saving Galileo From Drifting Off Course

    by Staff Writers
    Brussels (AFP) May 11, 2007
    The European Union sought Thursday to save its troubled Galileo satellite navigation system project from crashing, with new plans to use public money for its construction. A consortium of eight companies was originally to pay for two-thirds of the construction and launch of most of the 30 satellites required, while covering the cost of the investment by operating the network afterwards.

    However, the European Commission and EU member states are being forced to reconsider the original financing plans as the companies demand more public support in bearing the risks and costs.

    With China making strides with its rival "Compass" satellite positioning system, pressure is growing on the EU to avoid further delays to the programme, which was intended to rival the United States free global positioning system (GPS).

    "The matter is urgent, since Europe faces global competition as a base for technology," German junior minister for aerospace policy Peter Hintze said.

    Although the project is becoming more of an embarrassment than a showcase for European technological prowess, European Commission spokesman Michele Cercone insisted that full public funding did not amount to a costly bailout.

    "This scenario will not require taxpayers to put (in) more money, but is the scenario that would protect best taxpayers," he said.

    The European Commission had given the consortium -- comprising AENA, Alcatel, EADS, Finmeccanica, Hispasat, Inmarsat, TeleOp and Thales -- until Thursday to come up with plans for sorting out the mess.

    However, Cercone said that since their proposals were "far from being sufficient," the next best option seemed to be simply using public money to build the satellite network.

    "It would be less expensive to take the entire construction of the infrastructure to the public authorities than to guarantee 100 percent of a private loan at the market value" as the consortium wanted, Cercone said.

    The construction was originally expected to cost 1.5 billion euros (2.0 billion dollars), but the EU's executive arm and member states will likely have to cough up an extra 2.4-2.6 billion euros if public money is to pay for it, according to the Commission.

    If public bodies took over the financing of the project, it could be kept on course to be up and running by the end of 2010 or 2011, he said.

    As delays have piled up, the concession contract for Galileo remains unsigned with the firms squabbling over who will do what, leaving the Commission frustrated that there was no single intermediator representing them as a group.

    Cercone raised the prospect that the consortium members could be shaken up, saying that if public money payed for getting the satellites in space "the concession contract's conditions should be changed."

    A source at the Commission, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that "there will be new tenders" for building the satellites as well as for their commercial operation.

    One industry source said that the companies were still willing to play a financing role "once we can see a return on investment."

    Inmarsat spokesman Chris McLaughlin said the project became trickier for the companies when the competing consortia were forced to merge their bids last year.

    "We were happy for it to be a public-private initiative but then last year when they brought two consortia together, that changed things," he said, stressing that Inmarsat for one still wanted to participate in the project.

    After the Commission makes recommendations next Wednesday for saving Galileo, "it will be up to the (transport) ministers to take whatever they think is the best decision" at a meeting in June, Cercone said.

    Source: Agence France-Presse
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  • #2
    Europe has a small penis.

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    • #3
      Only the most intelligent, handsome/beautiful denizens of apolyton may join the game :)

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      • #4
        Bet you this is a French driven project. They seem to like expensive boondogles if it promises the hope of rivaling the US.
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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        • #5
          my favorite part

          project is becoming more of an embarrassment than a showcase for European technological prowess

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          • #6
            See Asher's sig.

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            • #7
              Remind me again

              why people want another system for gps when the current one works, is stable, and is free?
              “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

              ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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              • #8
                Whenever there's no boom in the US for DanS to gloat about he turns to project into all possible directions. Germany: 52,000 new jobs in march! Let the good times roll!

                Apart from that, the only Europeans with chronically short penii are the Fwench.

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                • #9
                  Re: Remind me again

                  Originally posted by pchang
                  why people want another system for gps when the current one works, is stable, and is free?
                  Europe has a small penis.
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • #10
                    How much money did your military pump in a system they can manipulate as they want ?

                    Maybe EU has a small penis, but at least we know where to aim...
                    "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dannubis
                      Maybe EU has a small penis, but at least we know where to aim...
                      Really?

                      project is becoming more of an embarrassment than a showcase for European technological prowess
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • #12
                        The EU needs its own system in case the Chinese shoot down your GPS satellites.

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                        • #13
                          Do you realize that

                          Originally posted by dannubis
                          How much money did your military pump in a system they can manipulate as they want ?

                          Maybe EU has a small penis, but at least we know where to aim...
                          by taking extra measurements and using orbital mechanics, one can correct for any manipulation of the gps signal?

                          Also, European satellites are no more Chinese prrof than any others.
                          “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                          ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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                          • #14
                            Is GPS signalling prioritized? Who's to say we can use it in the next war?

                            Who's to say everyone will always be able to use it for free in the future?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dannubis
                              Maybe EU has a small penis, but at least we know where to aim...
                              I'm pretty sure we use a lot more precision munitions than you do.

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