Sarkozy DonnÉ Gagnant

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Spiffor

There is very little willingness to go back to the old French socialism. Ségolène avowedly admires Tony Blair, and has made her campaign around the Scandinavian model.

According to a Swedish journo that writes from Paris there's a kind of "Scandinavian mirage" among the French left.

Be that as it may, it'd been fun to see Royal to try and impose Sandinavian-style employment laws on the French.

[Drake Tungsten]

Wierd. I would have thought that after the failiure of Mitterrand's anti-Thatcher experiment and suffering from chronically high unemployment especially among the youth might have tought even the most brain dead that a return to French socialism isn't the best way to solve France's economic ills.

Fake Boris isn't French. If he was, he wouldn't be so enamored with our economic system.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
i doubt very much that Sarko has called for the abolition of ALL labor laws.

He didn't call for the abolition of all labour laws, indeed. I've never heard him attack safety regulations, nor environmental regulations.

OTOH, Sarko wants to completely overhaul the way jobs are protected. He wants a "contrat unique", of which we know very little. The core idea, it seems, would be to make employment at-will for everybody, but with increased job-protection as the contract lasts longer. The "consolidation period" would last two years (I'm quoting the only right-wing source I found about it). After some googling, I'm still unable to tell what these protections are supposed to be

What we know is that Sarko supported the CNE and CPE (though he later retracted about the CPE, considering the strength of the demos), which create at-will jobs for a duration of two years. We also know big business calls for a generalization of at-will employment, and he has very personal ties with big business.

[C0ckney]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Fake Boris isn't French.

no he's something far worse. a wannabe frenchman.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
Donzy, the bellweather city who in all presidential elections had voted to the 10th of a percent the same as the final national result

Hey, I went there. Never knew it's generally representative of the big trend. Yet another curiosity about this quaint and nice little town

[Drake Tungsten]

no he's something far worse. a wannabe frenchman.

QFT

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Spiffor

He didn't call for the abolition of all labour laws, indeed. I've never heard him attack safety regulations, nor environmental regulations.

OTOH, Sarko wants to completely overhaul the way jobs are protected. He wants a "contrat unique", of which we know very little. The core idea, it seems, would be to make employment at-will for everybody, but with increased job-protection as the contract lasts longer. The "consolidation period" would last two years (I'm quoting the only right-wing source I found about it). After some googling, I'm still unable to tell what these protections are supposed to be

What we know is that Sarko supported the CNE and CPE (though he later retracted about the CPE, considering the strength of the demos), which create at-will jobs for a duration of two years. We also know big business calls for a generalization of at-will employment, and he has very personal ties with big business.

Note well

In the US labor law typically refers to the laws that regulate the collective bargaining process, for example those that protect workers from either being coerced to support or oppose formation of a union, and that require employers to bargain with a union, properly formed, that limit certain kinds of strikes, etc.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

French national pastime, car torching, continues

French police arrest nearly 600 people in post-election violence+
May 7 03:31 PM US/Eastern


PARIS, May 7 (AP) - (Kyodo)— French police have arrested a total of 592 people across the country as bands of rioters protested conservative Nicolas Sarkozy's presidential election victory Sunday, French media reported.

The police said a total of 730 vehicles were torched and 28 police officers were injured in violent incidents from Sunday night to Monday morning. Police fought stone-throwing rioters with tear gas, but it was not clear how many rioters were injured, according to Radio France.

On Sunday night, about 5,000 people gathered at the Place de la Bastille, a favored gathering spot for right-wing supporters during the election.

Other fights with the police broke out in Toulouse, Marseilles and Lyon.

[Spiffor]

LOTM:
The only stance of Sarko I know of in these matters, is that he wants to restrict strikes in transportation, with his "minimal service". Like for much of his program, we don't know the extent of the "minimal service".

It can be some wholly useless feelgood, that doesn't go beyond what transportation companies already do (it's very rare when transportation comes to a complete standstill: since the 1995 strikes, transportation companies have found ways to guarantee a minimal service at pretty much every strike).

I can be a complete attack on the rights of strike in transportation, just like those rights are trampled in law&order.

It can be anything in between.

[Barnabas]

French people, are the beaches in Biarritz good or the water is cold?

[Barnabas]

Spiffor, wtf was the thing Sarko mentioned of a mediterranean union with north africa? He wants more arabs/berbers in France?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Barnabas
French people, are the beaches in Biarritz good or the water is cold?

No idea.

If you want a sure spot at warm water, better go to the mediterranean in summer. The Atlantic can be realtively chilly even in summer.

When I was in Calvi (Corsica) in August, the cater was at something like 28C

[dannubis]

Originally posted by C0ckney
well done france for electing your own version of thatcher. it may be painful at first, but in 20 years time you will look back and realise it was all worth it.

yes, when your country has lost even any memory of significance...

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Spiffor
LOTM:
The only stance of Sarko I know of in these matters, is that he wants to restrict strikes in transportation, with his "minimal service". Like for much of his program, we don't know the extent of the "minimal service".

It can be some wholly useless feelgood, that doesn't go beyond what transportation companies already do (it's very rare when transportation comes to a complete standstill: since the 1995 strikes, transportation companies have found ways to guarantee a minimal service at pretty much every strike).

I can be a complete attack on the rights of strike in transportation, just like those rights are trampled in law&order.

It can be anything in between.

In the US the President has the right to end a strike that threatens the nation, and impose a 90 day cooling off period, typically a transport strike. However actual usage of this right is itself constrained by politics, presidents typically dont want to use it unreasonably, as it really pisses labor off. It can also be used in the case of an employer lockout.

[Barnabas]

Here we have something called "conciliación obligatoria", when the president orders that, the workers doing the strike have to go back to work, and companies and the workers have to start meetings to discuss a solution.