Sarkozy DonnÉ Gagnant

[Fake Boris]

Sarkozy's program :

- Solve unemployment the 'American way', by increasing carceral population.

- Privatize universities, so that students can enter the workforce with debt, thus ensuring they resent the future demonstrators who don't 'have to work'.

- Obligatory internships for all undergraduate students, to help solve 'unemployment' (internships are not protected by labor laws in France, so every student can 'work' and 'learn the world' for €150/month).

- Yelling like an hysterical mussolinian dwarf on all tribunes, so that people who have never shaked an Algerian's hand in their whole life can feel like he's tough on the ghettoes.

[Pekka]

Spiffor, well, obviously I was only provocating

Of course that's true. It's usually some fraction of a group that comes only to fight and destroy things, and in the process they ruin it all. Obviously so. They're just throwing strawmen all over the place, that's all.

The actual political movement hardly differs from other political movements, that would be for example right vs. left. This is, of course, if one thinks without emotions and can admit the reality .

And if we're talking about these kids, these ex-rioters, soon to be rioters once again, what kind of political affiliation they have? None. Many of them just want to have action, some are don't even need an excuse but once there is one... all the better. Some are genuinely worried, and a fraction of those will actually turn into violence, but the moderates will stay out of it, which they should, but they should also denounce these violent thugs more clearly, so media can't spin it to be them. And no, they don't do a good job at it, saying these guys aren't with us so don't make ti sound like it was us. If you want media responsibility, you have to fight for it (without violence).

And when it comes to rioters who just want action... rubber bullet them all over their faces and destroy their physiques. I don't care. Destroy them.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Pekka
so media can't spin it to be them.

You were talking about hurling strawmen around, weren't you ?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Indeed, that was hyperbole.

What he has to do to reintegrate the ghetto dwellers in the French mainstream is:

- Make speeches saying that all French people are on the same side, bring the French together. In his campaign and before, he systematically divided between two sides. Generally "those who get up early" and various words he ascribed to the leeches.

- Restore trust and respect between the police and a broad part of the population. During his tenure as interior minister, he made the police much more geared toward repression, and he shut down "proximity police", whose job was to provide day-to-day order and conviviality in the cités.

- Eventually destroy the ghettoes, by providing cheap housing on the whole territory, instead of the current concentrations. To that effect, the law demands cities to have at least 20% of public housing. The city he ruled between 1983 and 2002 (Neuilly sur Seine) has 2.5%, one of the lowest rate in Paris' metro.

1. I think ceasing to speak against violent lawbreakers, even if it makes sociological sense (I wont start that debate again) is not politically feasible for him, and probably not in line with his core beliefs. I was thinking more along the lines of making clear that he distinguishes between those who continue to the break the law, and the law abiding people of the banlieues. Im not suggesting such a distinction is or is not sociologically meaningful in the banlieues, but thats the way of signalling that hes not Le Pen under cover, that hes not empowering racism, etc.

2. Improving management of the police will certainly be something important.

3. I would doubt A. That hed start building lots of new public housing, even if he believed in it, at this point - I presume hed try to improve economic performance first. B. Im not sure he would for for scatter cite public housing - Id think hed be for more market based solution, like rental subsidies (like US section 8 housing). Of course the best way to solve the housing problems of the poor, is to addrress their employment problems.

[Fake Boris]

But the CAC-40 will be doing very well though, so that DanS can inform us of how corporation's profits will eventually make their way in worker's hands.

[Pekka]

once boris, no, I'm talking about you smelling bad! Get some deodorant dude!

[Fake Boris]

once boris !

That may be your wittiest reply ever, and it probably wasn't intended

[Pekka]

I'm filled with typos. Maybe a Freudian.

[Fake Boris]

Expect Sarkozy to change labor laws on extra hours soon (he has already stated intent of doing so).

He will need them for his crew of CRS.

[Pekka]

You think he will?

I'm not really in tune with the issues France has, so ... but just taking that bit, changing laws to have longer working days (I assume that's what you meant) is going to be problematic.

Besides, how is he going to just 'do that'. It's not like he has the power to just do it... or does he?

[Fake Boris]

With a legislative majority, he's quite powerful. He then can burn 2-3 prime ministers on unpopular reforms and pass in the aftermath of the crisis as the conciliatory guy who found a compromise.

[DanS]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
But the CAC-40 will be doing very well though, so that DanS can inform us of how corporation's profits will eventually make their way in worker's hands.

I don't know much about profit patterns for France, so can't comment in detail. But liberalization doesn't necessarily lead to increased profits. You need only look at the airline industry in the US after President Carter's liberalization to see how this works. Prices have plummeted as competition has increased, but most airliners are losing money hand-over-fist.

[Pekka]

Yeah but he can do that just using legislative majority, I mean isn't their any kind of process involved, like the union reps getting into a big fight first? Don't get me wrong, I hate workers, I think they're pests, but we shouldn't go back what has been accomplished so far (working hours, working environment and conditions, benefits etc.)... it seems counter productive and not worth the trade off. Me thinks we should figure every other single way first, and I mean everything. This is kind of an easy solution but it definitely weakens the position of normal common worker, and you need to keep them as happy as possible, so they'll be productive and not... like starting riots and ****. I'd agree, if someone says to me the law has been changed by these few people, you know... it'll be a problem. I'll be throwing some wild Miyagi moves.

Depending on the situation and how the law will affect normal workers... I could be throwing some bricks and smashing some heads with the workers. This to me sounds unacceptable at this point.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by DanS


I don't know much about profit patterns for France, so can't comment in detail. But liberalization doesn't necessarily lead to increased profits. You need only look at the airline industry in the US after President Carter's liberalization to see how this works. Prices have plummeted as competition has increased, but most airliners are losing money hand-over-fist.

Profits of the CAC-40 have been on the rise for the last 5-7 years. Unemployment is going down slowly, but certainly not as fast as profits are rising.

[DinoDoc]

Wierd. I would have thought that after the failiure of Mitterrand's anti-Thatcher experiment and suffering from chronically high unemployment especially among the youth might have tought even the most brain dead that a return to French socialism isn't the best way to solve France's economic ills.