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  • #16
    Originally posted by Ecthy
    We're talking conventional forces here, not nukes. How much power is the USA willing to project in Europe nowadays?
    Why the USA? Isn't it high time the Europeans get their own **** together?

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    • #17
      By the time Russians got through Baltics, Poland & Czech rep., they'd be attrited so badly it would be a turkey shoot for the Bundeswehr. Assuming they uphold the NA treaty
      Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
      Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
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      • #18
        Yes, I think it will be as hard for them as it was 39/40.

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        • #19
          Sir Ralph, that goes exactly into the direction I'm thinking. Stuff like this doesn't make European armament races less likely.

          Saras - they might have a low overall GNP, but they don't spend for stuff that we spend for. Their spending is still lower than that of Western countries anyway.

          Doesn't make it seem better to cancel international treaties on armaments control.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Ecthy

            Saras - they might have a low overall GNP, but they don't spend for stuff that we spend for.
            Agreed. Add France, Germany, Belgium, Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Baltics, Norway and UK into the equation. Now recalculate.
            Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
            Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
            Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Saras


              Their GDP is maybe 10% bigger than that of the Netherlands, I think. No one takes their military threat too seriously.
              And Russia's population is barely half as much as the USSR's. It's possibly even smaller than the Soviet population at the eve of WWII.
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              • #22
                I'm not talking about any potential current escalation that doesn't exist anyway, I'm talking about possible projections from this. Some people seem to underrate the value of a well-functioning European security architecture.

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                • #23
                  These guys are relevant because of the nukes they got.
                  Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
                  Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
                  Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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                  • #24
                    And the permanent seat on the UN's security council. Legacy strength rather than current abilities. Every oil/gas state is making a lot of noise these days and it'd be wiser to sit it out instead of getting overly excited.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Ecthy
                      Some people seem to underrate the value of a well-functioning European security architecture.
                      Well, care to elaborate? IMHO, what Czechs and Poles did is a valid defense against anyone, including Russia, which is not showing any significant signs of being a responsible and friendly neighbour.
                      Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
                      Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
                      Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Saras
                        Well, care to elaborate? IMHO, what Czechs and Poles did is a valid defense against anyone, including Russia, which is not showing any significant signs of being a responsible and friendly neighbour.
                        Would you care to elaborate how the Czechs and Poles have recently been under a direct nuclear threat from Russia?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Ecthy
                          Are you aware Solver that "Cold War"/"No Cold War" is not a trigger that was switched once in 1989/91 and will never be touched again but rather the product of International Politics? I find it so stupid when people answer to a precise political issue with an empty phrase like "it's not the Cold War anymore".

                          Great Power conflict and armament races have nothing to do with ideologies or their labels for economic systems or political models. They result from a logic substantially superior to that.
                          No, it's not a trigger and no, it's not an empty phrase. The Cold War marked a very precise status - two countries that would want to destroy one another but didn't because of MAD. That's no longer the case. There's no question of going to destroy one another now, but Russia is still stuck in that mentality.

                          I know international politics are silly that way and there has to be a conflict of great powers of sorts (though it wouldn't be US vs. Russia now). But I'm damn annoyed by the fact that a huge country such as Russia won't start to act somewhat civilized like Western countries and actually contribute something to making the global world situation better than it has been.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Sir Ralph


                            Why the USA? Isn't it high time the Europeans get their own **** together?
                            That would be one of the biggest disasters to befall Europe at this moment.

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                            • #29
                              What?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Ecthy


                                Would you care to elaborate how the Czechs and Poles have recently been under a direct nuclear threat from Russia?
                                So you will wait until russians launch before installing defensive missile systems? :???:
                                Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
                                Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
                                Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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