What Should be Done with Illegal Immigrants Who Pay Their Taxes?

[AAAAAAAAH!]

I agree, deport Ben.

[Ben Kenobi]

Thankfully I have a work visa.

[Felch]

If someone breaks a law but agrees to pay a fine instead of going to jail, you'd call it affluenza. How is this any different? The law needs to be enforced.

You mean like with speeding tickets? I think society is better off collecting fines than spending money on prisons.

[Ben Kenobi]

You mean like with speeding tickets? I think society is better off collecting fines than spending money on prisons.

Last I checked the law permits the United States to deport them. Here's the problem, Felch. I could pass for a Texan, and since I have mail coming here, and they just struck down the Voter ID law, I could walk into a polling booth, claim I forgot my ID and pull out a letter addressed to me. And vote.

This would give my vote equal say to yours despite you being an American citizen.

If the laws aren't enforced, Americans will lose their republic and be governed by others.

[Felch]

The problem isn't illegal immigrants voting. The problem is that our immigration laws force legal immigrants to wait for years or even decades. When my ancestors came to this country, it was a simple matter of passing through Ellis Island, or before that, just showing up and killing whatever natives tried to stop you.

Laws aren't sacred. They exist to serve our interests, i.e. the cause of justice. If they don't, then they're bad laws, and people shouldn't feel obliged to obey bad laws.

[Ben Kenobi]

The problem isn't illegal immigrants voting. The problem is that our immigration laws force legal immigrants to wait for years or even decades.

Well, I agree, but you're never going to have an impetus to fix legal immigration if you don't enforce illegal immigration. Right now, you're punishing the folks who are doing the right thing and rewarding folks who just come over.

When my ancestors came to this country, it was a simple matter of passing through Ellis Island, or before that, just showing up and killing whatever natives tried to stop you.

There also wasn't welfare available, nor disability.

Laws aren't sacred. They exist to serve our interests, i.e. the cause of justice. If they don't, then they're bad laws, and people shouldn't feel obliged to obey bad laws.

I think the law saying that people should enter the country legally is a good law and should be obeyed. I don't have the right to tell America to fix their laws especially when they benefit me.

[C0ckney]

i thought an anti-statist such as yourself would support the free flow of labor across borders

it's that curious moment when a belief in the sacredness of capital, that loves cheap labour ( ), clashes with a love of authority, people disobeying the law ( ). there's also often some vague notion of self-interest and a not so vague racism; but not in DD's case, i suspect.

[Bereta_Eder]

Last I checked the law permits the United States to deport them. Here's the problem, Felch. I could pass for a Texan, and since I have mail coming here, and they just struck down the Voter ID law, I could walk into a polling booth, claim I forgot my ID and pull out a letter addressed to me. And vote.

This would give my vote equal say to yours despite you being an American citizen.

What kind of voting system is that?

[Ben Kenobi]

What kind of voting system is that?

The present system in America. Apparently demanding state-issued ID before voting is racist.

[SlowwHand]

If someone is driving without a license and is the cause of an accident, should they be forgiven if the vehicle they were driving is insured?

[Felch]

If an insurance company is willing to insure them, then who cares if the government licenses them or not? I'd rather be hit by an insured, unlicensed driver than an uninsured licensed driver.

[Dauphin]

A bit of a false dichotomy there. Of relevance is who is more likely to cause an accident. I'd rather a competent unlicensed driver be on the road than an incompetent licensed one.

[SlowwHand]

It's not an "either - or" question, it's a "yes or no" question. Using another illegal circumstance to argue your point is not very convincing.

[Sava]

It's not an "either - or" question, it's a "yes or no" question.

wat about multiple choice? is it that?

[Felch]

A bit of a false dichotomy there. Of relevance is who is more likely to cause an accident. I'd rather a competent unlicensed driver be on the road than an incompetent licensed one.

My belief is that the insurance company is going to be more careful about extending a policy to a driver than a bureaucrat handing out licenses. The insurance company is liable for whatever harms you cause (according to the terms of your policy), while the government isn't going to have to answer for letting idiots receive licenses. We should essentially privatize driving licenses by requiring everybody to carry liability insurance (which almost all states already do) and leave the government out of it.