New Orleans demands $77 billion in compensation

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Let's talk about that. I guarantee you New Orlreans is safer now than ever before. Houston, San Antonio and Dallas got a lot of their criminals as refugees.

Not true. The judicial system doesn't have enough people to run it. Criminals are demanding their constitutional right to "quick and speedy" trials, and when there is no courtroom or no prosecutor available, they have to be let go.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Let's talk about that. I guarantee you New Orlreans is safer now than ever before. Houston, San Antonio and Dallas got a lot of their criminals as refugees.

I hate it when people make gross, unfair generalizations.



As for the dislocation of low-income people, I mean the possibility that the property they had owned will be gobbled up by middle class and upper class in the guise of redevelopment to the disadvantage of low-income residents.

[SlowwHand]

MrFun, businesses and homes went away. Criminals couldn't just wait around for them to rebuild. They had drug habits to support.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


Not true. The judicial system doesn't have enough people to run it. Criminals are demanding their constitutional right to "quick and speedy" trials, and when there is no courtroom or no prosecutor available, they have to be let go.

Do you think so, Einstein? And what do you think at least contributed to that fact? How does this point count as rebuttal to mine?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
MrFun, businesses and homes went away. Criminals couldn't just wait around for them to rebuild. They had drug habits to support.

Saying that all low-income people are criminals and druggies makes just as much sense as saying that all white Texans are trashy and illiterate.

[Kuciwalker]

... they're both true, right?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Let's talk about that. I guarantee you New Orlreans is safer now than ever before. Houston, San Antonio and Dallas got a lot of their criminals as refugees.

Have you been paying any attention to the news whatsoever?

[Dis]

yeah NO is pretty bad. I think the criminals quickly came back knowing police presence would be low. They are taking advantage of the poor people that did return. Truelly a horrible situation. Not that it was that great before.

I think the solution is fairly simple. More police officers (and more IA to keep corruption down). Implementation may not be so simple, however. As if they can't bring people in to live in the city, and be able to pay for the police, they are screwed. The city has always been poor, and their police notoriously bad.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
... they're both true, right?

not



But Slowwhand is not helping dispel the generalization of the latter.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Have you been paying any attention to the news whatsoever?

Would you be surprised if he hasn't?

[Straybow]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
Was only a Cat 3 storm, and the Corps is to blame. See this is any of your wire reports, Gatekeeper? Dumbass.

Today, exactly eight weeks after the storm, all three breaches are looking less like acts of God and more like failures of engineering that could have been anticipated and very likely prevented...

First, you should use up-to-date data instead of speculative data pushed by a not-so-unbiased source rushing to judgement a few weeks after the disaster.

From http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pdf/TCR-AL122005_Katrina.pdf, tide guage in Plaquemines Parish (the ocean surge measurement closest to NO) measures 14 foot surge, and peak storm surge was at least 27 feet.

[q=http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutsshs.shtml]
Category Three Hurricane:
Winds 111-130 mph (96-113 kt or 178-209 km/hr). Storm surge generally 9-12 ft above normal...

Category Four Hurricane:
Winds 131-155 mph (114-135 kt or 210-249 km/hr). Storm surge generally 13-18 ft above normal...

Category Five Hurricane:
Winds greater than 155 mph (135 kt or 249 km/hr). Storm surge generally greater than 18 ft above normal. [/q]
The definition of storm intensity at any given moment is maximum sustained wind speed. However, the storm surge is created by the strength of the storm over the water just prior to landfall. The fact that the storm had dropped to cat3 by wind speed when the eye passed NO did not mystically reduce the storm surge to cat3 levels.

The maximum storm surge was far above the level typical for a cat5 storm. The storm surge measured within spitting distance of NO was in excess of expected cat3 surge.

QED

[Gatekeeper]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
I like how gatekeeper has bowed out. pwnt.

Actually, no, I was just sort of heeding Ming's warning (and, on top of that, working full time and pursuing other, non-Internet, interests).

Besides, I usually fail to engage with people whose first instinct is to throw crap in others' faces, i.e., your calling me a "dumbass" and something that came across as "****" because 'Poly's filters didn't like it.

I only occasionally participate in Internet-based "debates" anymore because "good" folks like you, Wiglaf, come along and show why it's not worth it for the most part. I do, however, remain involved in real world-based debates (think City Council gatherings, among other things) because, well, you actually make a difference in them (not to mention "see" who's "opposing" you and maybe go and have a beer with 'em afterward).

So, yes, you "won" in a way, Wiglaf. Enjoy the trophy.

Gatekeeper

[Arrian]

Gatekeeper
Straybow

I thought about mentioning the storm surge. Wind speed is only part of the equation, and the storm had been a cat5/strong cat4 right up until it come ashore... when the wind speed dropped just into the cat3 range, IIRC. It was still a ****ing monster.

-Arrian