What's a better sytem of...living?

[Zkribbler]

Re: Re: What's a better sytem of...living?

Originally posted by Tacc
We live in a free market. Commie

The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

[Nubclear]

Whats a "The Constitution"?

[Lancer]

Well said Zkrib!

To those who 'commie' ed me...I'm as anti commie as can be.

Rufus-"We may or may not be selfish. But t here's an inherent contradiction between embracing free-market capitalism, which means predicating your economic success on the maximization of individual self-interest, and expecting people to make socially responsible (as opposed to individually satisfying) economic choices."

I suggest that we change the framework from which such choices are made. Back a hundred years ago an icecream was a fantastic treat, a wild extravagance. Now it's a Hummer. We need to go back to the ice cream days. The satisfaction should come from things which aren't going to polute the worrld for everyone else. An ant would never make a decision that would harm the colony. We need the social responsability of the ant.

[Solly]

Commie

[Lancer]

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Originally posted by MRT144


Are you a know nothing?

I dont know why i am bothering to answer you since you have been so polite, but i will, But no im not. It is common knowledge that the smarter you are the more you want. HIstory has proven that. Take for example, tieneman square that was an uproar of college students and the educated that wanted change in china. The poor farmer dont want change. The dont know what it is to change. The smarter the common person gets the more change they want, The more changes you have the more expensive it becomes to live. Im not sure what part of this you arent understanding.

[Kontiki]

Thank god Texas is doing it's level best to fight the tide of increasing education and intelligence.

[Ben Kenobi]

Mrs. T:

That's a really good point about education. The more we have the more that we think we need in order to do anything.

Before a man might go to school until grade 10 and he was considered to be well educated and qualified for most jobs.

Nowadays, that same man would finish some 12 years or perhaps 16 years of school. That's the change in a generation or so.

I wonder if the trend will continue where people spend half their lives in school?

[Lul Thyme]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Mrs. T:

That's a really good point about education. The more we have the more that we think we need in order to do anything.

Before a man might go to school until grade 10 and he was considered to be well educated and qualified for most jobs.

Nowadays, that same man would finish some 12 years or perhaps 16 years of school. That's the change in a generation or so.

I wonder if the trend will continue where people spend half their lives in school?

Well people also live healthier, longer and healthier longer so you havn't even shown yet that there IS a trend of people spending a bigger part of their life in school...

[Solly]

Originally posted by Lul Thyme


Well people also live healthier, longer and healthier longer so you havn't even shown yet that there IS a trend of people spending a bigger part of their life in school...

Yeah come on Kenobi where's the evidence.

[Addled Platypus]

What will Americans think, when the decision is made to mandate only 1 kid per Family.

China at least recognizes the growth problem, abd made a tough call

what law would you write?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by Lancer
Well said Zkrib!

To those who 'commie' ed me...I'm as anti commie as can be.

Rufus-"We may or may not be selfish. But t here's an inherent contradiction between embracing free-market capitalism, which means predicating your economic success on the maximization of individual self-interest, and expecting people to make socially responsible (as opposed to individually satisfying) economic choices."

I suggest that we change the framework from which such choices are made. Back a hundred years ago an icecream was a fantastic treat, a wild extravagance. Now it's a Hummer. We need to go back to the ice cream days. The satisfaction should come from things which aren't going to polute the worrld for everyone else. An ant would never make a decision that would harm the colony. We need the social responsability of the ant.

Values don't shape economies; economies shape values. The framework you're talking abouut was a direct response to an older economic system -- a production-based economy in which goods were scarce. We no longer live that way, and our ideology has shifted to accomodate our new economic reality. 100 years ago, our economic well-being was dependent upon our ability to out-prodce the rest of the world; today, our economic well-being depends upon our ability to out-consume the rest of the world.

[Ben Kenobi]

Well people also live healthier, longer and healthier longer so you havn't even shown yet that there IS a trend of people spending a bigger part of their life in school...

If they live to 60 and go to grade 10 that's 1/6th of their life.

If they graduate with a masters today that would be 18 years. They would have to live to be 120 in order to meet the same ratio.

People aren't really living all that much longer, the increase in longevity is mostly through decreases in the infant mortality rate.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
Values don't shape economies; economies shape values.

I disagree. Our values (or, as Lancer points out, our lack of values) still determines our economies. In the 50's, corporations believed that part of their missions was to provide good lives for their employees.

That began changing in the 80's with the advent of me-ism. Today, corporations are exporting their jobs and, for the jobs they keep, they're slashing pensions, medical coverage and other benefits. U.S. workers today are working, on average, 3 hours more per week than a decade ago for no extra pay. Meanwhile, CEO's salaries in the U.S. have gone from 20 times that of the average worker to 400 times. And corporations are turning in record profits.

In general, we no longer see ourselves are part of a community. We see ourselves as individual units, and the highest goal now appears to be grab all you can get away with, and the hell with everyone else.

[Lul Thyme]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


If they live to 60 and go to grade 10 that's 1/6th of their life.

If they graduate with a masters today that would be 18 years. They would have to live to be 120 in order to meet the same ratio.

People aren't really living all that much longer, the increase in longevity is mostly through decreases in the infant mortality rate.

I would argue that before going to school also counts in "being educated" even if it's not at school.
Grade 10 becomes what 16?
so 4/15 of their life, assuming 60 years.
A Masters would be about 23 so the same ratio is 85...
Surprisingly close ratio no?