If you are going to have children at all, have at least two.

[Barnabas]

Not funny, breeding is being a biological success

[Jon Miller]

Women, on the Median, are more successful then men. However, the most successful individuals are all men.

JM

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
Genetically. It is a purely scientific way to define success.

JM

So is height. That doesn't make it meaningful.

[Kuciwalker]

Funny thing is, you don't make "success" sound very desirable.

[Jon Miller]

Height isn't something you can do much to change.

Genetic propagation is (mostly) dependent on your own choices.

JM

[Kuciwalker]

Height isn't something you can do much to change.

So?

[Jon Miller]

So it isn't interesting when discussing the successful behavior of people.

JM

[Kuciwalker]

Fine. Muscle mass, then.

[Jon Miller]

That has larger genetic factors though. It also isn't clear to me what counts as success, is it a BF %? Is it total muscle mass? Is it the number of muscles?

Genetics and evolution provide a clear definition of success. One that muscle mass is missing.

Jon Miller

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
Genetics and evolution provide a clear definition of success.

So do economics.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
That has larger genetic factors though.

So what? So does procreation, though those factors are more subtle.

Your definition is an absurd measure from any standpoint apart from a purely biological one.

[Kuciwalker]

I bet most people with a lot of kids are unsuccessful by any reasonable measure.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Spiffor

So do economics.

economics isn't scientific

additionally, things aren't clear in economics

additionally, economics isn't natural

JM

[The Mad Monk]

I think what he's saying is, that successful species propagate, unsuccessful species don't (and go extinct).

It's rather hard to argue against that.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


So what? So does procreation, though those factors are more subtle.

Your definition is an absurd measure from any standpoint apart from a purely biological one.

It is the only one that has both it's measuring stick and it's definition clearly bound in the natural sciences.

JM
(At least that I can currently think of)