All purpose War of 1812 thread

[Barnabas]

How did french canadians fight in that war?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
How did french canadians fight in that war?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chateauguay

That was the only major "battle" in Quebec.

The major actions on or near Canadian territory were around the Niagara frontier in what is now Ontario

[Cort Haus]

Tchaikovsky

Oh wait, wrong continent.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
First war of American revisionist history

WRONG! In 1805, we paid reparations to get our sailors back to end our War with Tripoli...and then claimed victory.

[Heresson]

USA was responsible for this war, for it wanted Canada. Bad USA.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Heresson
USA was responsible for this war, for it wanted Canada. Bad USA.

The UK was responsible for the war for violating American soveriegnty.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Odin


The UK was responsible for the war for violating American soveriegnty.

Horse****.

[Heresson]

American imperialism

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Horse****.

If by horse**** you mean absolute truth.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
How did the USA win if they didnt conquer Canada?

They didn't.

It's best described as a no-score draw.


Yankees have to big it up, because it came so soon after Yankee history was invented in 1776.


I don't think having one's capital invaded and the government buildings burnt is anything to boast about....


They also lost to Indians- at Detroit Tehcumseh and Sir Isaac Brock defeated 2 500 American militia.

At Queenston on the Niagara their invasion was repelled by a force with inferior numbers, again with major losses to the Yankees.

At Stony Creek, superior American forces were decimated by helpful Canadians...


Bear in mind, Europe and the British Empire were at the time somewhat pre-occupied with a little Corsican chap, by the name of Buonaparte....


Daniel Webster:

Public opinion, strong and united, is not with you in your Canada project ... The acquisition of the country is not an object generally desired by the people ... You are you say, at war for maritime rights, and free trade. But they see you lock up your commerce and abandon the ocean. They see you invade an interior province of the enemy. They see you involve yourselves in a bloody war with native savages; and they ask you if you have, in truth, a maritime controversy with the Western Indians, and are really contending for sailors' rights with the tribes of the Prophet.

Sounds almost spookily current. There was even a War Hawks party, men such as Henry Clay and John Calhoun.


Henry Clay:

"I trust I shall not be presumptuous when I state that I verily believe that the militia of Kentucky alone are competent to place Montreal and Upper Canada at your feet."

Yeah, right.

Go Canada!

[Barnabas]

The way I knew it, it was all, oh look, those hated english are busy fighting Napoleon, lets take advantage of it and invade Canada, to kick them out of the continent !
And it failed, so I see it as a draw closer to being an english victory

In a way similar to what Honduras thought of doing during ww2, of invading Belize, i think they should have done it, since it was barely deffended back then, the british would not have diverted military power from defending their island or attacking germany to deffending belize, and had a very small population 50 years ago (even today the population of belize is only 200.000) so it would have been easy to conquer

After 5 years of honduras ruling it, I dont think in 1946 the uk would have tried to reconquer belize, a very unimportant colony

Now it is an independent country and honduras will never get belize back

[Odin]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


If by horse**** you mean absolute truth.

[Drake Tungsten]

Sounds almost spookily current.

Yes, because we're once again in a war with Canada and the British Empire over maritime rights and free trade. How spookily prescient of Webster...

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by molly bloom


They didn't.

It's best described as a no-score draw.


Yankees have to big it up, because it came so soon after Yankee history was invented in 1776.

Most Americans here accept that it was a draw. I certainly do. I think most US history textbooks effectively accept that. The current discussion was prompted by KH's repeated assertions in OT that it was NOT a draw, that Britain won.

[Demerzel]

From what I remember reading in the past - it was generally accepted that Britain won the land war ( more or less ) and America the sea, ergo a draw.

TBH it was a stupid war esp. as we could have just ganged up on the frenchie's like normal instead