Barrack Hussein Obama

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Ned
Darius, again the statement that I asked to be supported was a statement of FACT, not opinion, about Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam.

It doesn't matter what he said. For you to generalize with Farrakhan as a sample requires supplementary evidence that Farrakhan constitutes a representative sample of US Muslims as a group. You did not, do not, and - as anyone who knows a damn thing about the NoI knows - can not provide said evidence, so Farrakhan's statement proves nothing.

An update:

1) X believe A, ergo Y.
2) Why is "X believe A" a given?
1) B believe A, ergo X believe A.
2) B is irrelevant to X.
1) C believes A, ergo X believe A.
2) Why is C a representative sample of X?
1) Prove that it isn't.
2) The burden of proof is on you.
1) D believes A, ergo X believe A
2) D accounts for the miniscule percentage of US Muslims that would be prone to A) attending an ISNA Convention, B) visit the MFASA booth, and C) take the time to fill out a survey. Why on earth is this a representative sample of X?
1) Prove that X is inconsistent with B, C, and D!
2) I don't have to prove ****, the burden's on you fella.
1) I never actually said C is a representative sample of X, I just asked someone why they stated that C is not.
2) Nonetheless, C must be a representative sample of X if we are to infer X's beliefs using C's beliefs. Yet again, the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that B, C, and/or D constitute representative samples of X.
1) ...

[Ned]

Darius, you do like knocking down strawmen.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
2. Daniel Pipes, whom someone labeled biased against Muslims, actually says that many American Muslims are more moderate than CAIR, which does not speak for them all. I think Pipes is being mischarecterized in this debate.

That was me. I don't know much about the guy, but the little I read of him didn't make it look as if he was too friendly towards our terrorist friends.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Lorizael
That was me. I don't know much about the guy, but the little I read of him didn't make it look as if he was too friendly towards our terrorist friends.

He and Ned would get along quite well.

[Ned]

Here is a recent "scientific" survey of American Muslims that includes this paragraph,

"The War on Terror, Iraq, Iran, and Palestine
Since 9/11, relations with the Muslim world have dominated the U.S. foreign policy agenda. Survey data shows that most respondents (55%) are afraid that the war on terror has become a war on Islam. Therefore, a decisive majority prefers de-escalation between America and Muslim-majority countries. Eighty-eight percent believe the Iraq war was not worthwhile for America. Ninety percent are also decidedly against spreading democracy by force. A substantial majority (69%) believe that America would improve its standing in the Muslim world by supporting a just resolution to the Palestinian cause. A similar portion (66%) support “working toward normalization of relations with Iran.”

[Ned]

The views of American Muslims are the same as those outside the US on point after point. The only point that is still left ambiguous is whether American Muslim opinion would prefer a two state or a one state solution to Palestine.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ned
A substantial majority (69%) believe that America would improve its standing in the Muslim world by supporting a just resolution to the Palestinian cause.

Thats pretty damned vague. Bibi Netanyahu also believes in a just resolution to the Palestinian cause. He just has a different idea of what a just resolution would entail. So the above tells us nothing.

[Ned]

LoTM, I agree.

But I would be that Bibi's ideas of justice and the average American Muslim's ideas of justice for the Palestinians diverge widely.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Ned


Arrian, are you SURE it was only Republicans raising this question. You have to remember that in those days the so-called Bible Belt was a bastion of the Democrat Party. Also, there was the Democrat primary where the same issue was raised, IIRC.

Democratic Party.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Odin


Democratic Party.

Did you know that you guys originally called yourselves Republicans?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democra...ublican_Party_(United_States)

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ned
LoTM, I agree.

But I would be that Bibi's ideas of justice and the average American Muslim's ideas of justice for the Palestinians diverge widely.

but its also likely that the ideas of justice for Pals varies among American Muslims, from "throw the Jews into the sea" to "that Ehud Barak fellow's ideas were reasonable enough" And we dont know from anything posted here how many are in each category.

[Ned]

LotM, who among us is a Muslim and what are their views on Israel, if you can recall?

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Arrian
Yeah, the name will be a problem with the morons of the country.

-Arrian

Exhibit No.1 = Ned

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Ned
LotM, who among us is a Muslim and what are their views on Israel, if you can recall?

Are there any openly Islamic posters here?

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Ned
Darius, you do like knocking down strawmen.

This is absolutely priceless, coming from you.

You may also want to look up the term "red herring." You really, really, really like fish, apparently.

-Arrian