WWI: What if the U.S. stayed neutral?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Ned
NYE, Yes. But he was talking about fighting for freedom, not for empire.

So what was he doing when he threatened to initiate the end of civilisation in the Northern hemisphere over activities in another country?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Ned


I have seen all this on the internet, but some time ago.

But the report on the records being sealed I saw just this week. I cannot find that document again for the life of me even though I have spent hours looking for it.

Do you blame the rest of us for viewing 'I saw it on the internet, but can't find it now' as less then weak support?

Do you blame the rest of us for resenting you wasting our time? That is what this amounts to. You've wasted our time, and an interesting thread. I think that is what LotM was on about.

[Kuciwalker]

Do you blame the rest of us for resenting you wasting our time?

You're on Apolyton. Isn't that the point?

[notyoueither]

If you don't like being derided, if you don't like people talking about a Nediverse, don't post facts, or attribute opinions, that you can't hope to back up because you've just made them up and 'can't find the sources on the internet' right now.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

Do you blame the rest of us for resenting you wasting our time?

You're on Apolyton. Isn't that the point?

There's truthiness and then there are threads like this.

[Ned]

Originally posted by notyoueither
If you don't like being derided, if you don't like people talking about a Nediverse, don't post facts, or attribute opinions, that you can't hope to back up because you've just made them up and 'can't find the sources on the internet' right now.

No, NYE, I told you the truth about this. I actually have read this and actually quoted it before in threads. I gave you my best recollection of the contents of the offer.

The problem you and others are having is that this whole conversation is so different from what you have been told before about these events that you are simply unbelieving.

I fully understand why England did no choose to negotiate after the fall of Poland. Hitler had to make the offer to withdraw before from Poland at a minimum for such talks to have any credibility at all. But, I think that is what he did, in fact, offer.

I just cannot prove it right now.

[Dauphin]

I read an article on the internet that Hitler was actually a cyborg from the planet Omicron Theta sent here to start a nuclear armageddon to prevent the rise of the Empire^TM on Earth that, if left unchecked, would engulf the galaxy in misery and suffering and include the awful subjugation of the fluffy Dznadk tribe of the Perseus arm of our galaxy.

I read it just today, but can't find it again.

[Dauphin]

But I do have proof that Hitler had a moon base...

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/onthemoon/On+The+Moon+ep.2/

And of course...

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/moonger.html

The Germans landed on the Moon as early as probably 1942, utilizing their larger exoatmospheric rocket saucers of the Miethe and Schriever type. The Miethe rocket craft was built in diameters if 15 and 50 meters, and the Schriever Walter turbine powered craft was designed as an interplanetary exploration vehicle. It had a diameter of 60 meters, had 10 stories of crew compartments, and stood 45 meters high. Welcome to Alice in Saucerland. In my extensive research of dissident American theories about the physical conditions on the Moon I have proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that there is atmosphere, water and vegetation on the Moon, and that man does not need a space suit to walk on the Moon. A pair of jeans, a pullover and sneakers are just about enough. Everything NASA has told the world about the Mood is a lie and it was done to keep the exclusivity of the club from joinings by the third world countries. All these physical conditions make it a lot more easier to build a Moon base.

Ever since their first day of landing on the Moon, the Germans started boring -and tunneling under the surface, and by the end of the war there was a small Nazi research base on the Moon. The free energy tachyon drive craft of the Haunibu-1 and 2 type were used after 1944 to haul people," materiel and the first robots to the construction site on the Moon. When Russians and Americans secretly landed jointly on the Moon in the early fifties with their own saucers, they spent their first night there as guests of the .... Nazi underground base. In the sixties a massive Russian - American base had been built on the Moon, that now has a population of 40,000 people, as the rumor goes. After the end of the war in May 1945, the Germans continued their space effort from their south polar colony of Neu Schwabenland. I have discovered a photograph of their underground space control center there.

[Provost Harrison]

Well I'll be damned...

[germanos]

Originally posted by Dauphin
But I do have proof that Hitler had a moon base...

Actually, it's a Dutch moonbase. We compromised our neutrality when we refused to share the knowledge with the little bastard Aryan and sold it to the Brits instead. As revenge, the Germans wiped the city of Rotterdam clean off the map followed by Middelburg where the Brits were retreating with the tech.

We're bloody lucky they left it at that, and even had plans to resettle us in the Judenfrei east!

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Ned


Nice.

Then you think war against loudmouth dictators who lead large and very powerful nations is always a good thing.

Trying to trap me into giving my approval to the current war in Iraq? I would argue that Saddam's Iraq by no means qualified as large or very powerful.

I think that war is sometimes necessary to contain the ambitions of ruthless tyrants who harbor dreams of world domination and who are pursuing the military means of fulfilling those dreams.

[Ned]

Dr. Strangelove, Stalin certainly had all the attributes you describe, but we chose a different path when WE were in charge of world events and not the Brits.

[TheStinger]

In what way were Britain in charge of world events in 1939, for Gods sake a large number of the British military thought we would lose.

Britains behaviour in 1939 was not related to a desire to rule the world

[Ned]

Ah, come on now, The Stinger. Why were Britain and France negotiating with Germany about the Sudetenland and Poland? Who the F*** put them in charge of Europe to tell peoples where they could live and not live, and to decide where borders lie?

Can't you see that a large part of the problems in the world were CAUSED by Britain in its arrogant line drawing on maps? India/Pakistan. Afghanistan/Pakistan. Arabia. Arabia/Palestine.

Versailles and the other treaties that settled WWI.

They all caused unending disputes that would not and have not gone away dispite the passage of years. When His Majesty's government (with the French) tried to enforce Versailles, we got WWII, a bloodbath that will live in human infamy to the end of recorded time.

Historians can say that WWII started with the invasion of Poland, but the cause of the war was not NAZIism or Hitler. It was Britain and France and Versailles.

That was was not a war to save democracy or any other garbage that might be spewed forth from British and American propagandists. It was a war to enforce Versailles against Germany and for the very purpose of destoying her government or any German government that wanted to undo that treaty.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ned


But, I have actually seen purported private offers from Germany just along these lines. Makes one wonder, does it not?

I haven't. I'm willing to bet no one else here has either.

Where are these offers ?

In what documents are they ?

Who made them, when, and in what context ?


Makes me wonder if you can tell the difference between truth and fantasy.