WWI: What if the U.S. stayed neutral?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ned
I'm sure Hitler would never have said such things publicly.

Funny, I've quoted speeches he made at Nuremberg rallies and public meetings where he says decidedly unpleasant things.

Wrong again, Neddo.

[Dr Strangelove]

What does this stuff have to do with the significance of America's entry into WW1? You are lost sheep who have gone astray! Bah! Bah! Bah!

Oh and in answer to MB's question, Ned's a closet Quisling, or haven't you noticed?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by molly bloom

In the words of the Charter:

Not Nazi Germany. A rather different thing altogether.

To be fair, Molly, you have to admit that you have to go through the country to get to the leaders, short of the military taking unusual action.

It might have been you who quoted something earlier on the likelyhood of the German Army doing anything after Munich. I don't think the Polish campaign would have emboldened them.

[Ned]

Originally posted by notyoueither


So WTF are you arguing?

You think making peace with Hitler would have gotten him out of Poland sooner?

Or perhaps you've a peculiar notion that leads you to pull **** out of your ass to the effect that the Nazis would have said 'oops, we didn't think you were serious. Here, we'll give back Poland, or most of it anyway.'

In that case, what about the Czechs?

Obviously, the whole of Europe would have been on the table.

But, from the Brit point of view, I would have demanded a withdrawal of Germany from the parts of Poland outside the disputed areas, and out of Czechoslovakia as a precondition for talks. Germany had no just demands on these areas and they would have to agree to this and act before any talks could take place.

After the fall of France, only an [agreement for} compete German withdrawal from conquered territories could have justified peace talks.

But, I have actually seen purported private offers from Germany just along these lines. Makes one wonder, does it not?

[Ned]

Originally posted by molly bloom

So I'll ask it again, because you seem to keep missing the point: how much are lives worth ? Innocent Czech, Slovak, Polish and Austrian and German lives that is.

How many do you suggest the Nazi Regime should be allowed to kill before war is declared ?


How many European neutrals should be allowed to be occupied by the Nazis before war becomes an option ?

There were German speakers in Italy, Switzerland, Hungary, Rumania and Russia- is it really reasonable to expect that all that territory should just be handed over to a despotic regime ?

Question back:

If it is the number of lives who are snuffed out that is the criteria, why didn't Britain declare war on Stalin when he was killing millions?

Why didn't Britain DOW on China when it was murdering tens of millions?

Why didn't Britain DOW on Cambodia when that regime went genocidal?

Ditto.

Ditto.

Ditto.

But, you would say, I am sure in response, that Britain is not the world's policeman.

I agree with that.

But, who appointed her policeman of Europe?

[Ned]

Originally posted by molly bloom


You keep saying this. I keep asking what records. We hear silence. Then we get a repetition of 'The Brit records are sealed' from you.

Molly, I conduct a search and found a site that was discussing this peace offer and the British response. The site said that the Brit records were to remain sealed well into the 21st Century, which seems a bit unusual.

If you conduct your own search, you will find it. Otherwise, trust me as I have tried to replicate the search and find it again for you, but I have been unsuccessful.

[Ned]

Originally posted by molly bloom


Didn't Nazi Germany declare war on the U.S. ?


Aggressor!!!!


Round and round the Ned goes, why he believes this crap, nobody knows....

Lend Lease.

US warships attacking german warships.

The US attacked Germany first.

The German DOW was stupid, but justified.

[Ned]

Originally posted by molly bloom


Funny, I've quoted speeches he made at Nuremberg rallies and public meetings where he says decidedly unpleasant things.

Wrong again, Neddo.

Not like that. Even the average German would have thought him insane if he talked like that in public.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
What does this stuff have to do with the significance of America's entry into WW1? You are lost sheep who have gone astray! Bah! Bah! Bah!

Oh and in answer to MB's question, Ned's a closet Quisling, or haven't you noticed?

Nice.

Then you think war against loudmouth dictators who lead large and very powerful nations is always a good thing.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Ned


Obviously, the whole of Europe would have been on the table.

But, from the Brit point of view, I would have demanded a withdrawal of Germany from the parts of Poland outside the disputed areas, and out of Czechoslovakia as a precondition for talks. Germany had no just demands on these areas and they would have to agree to this and act before any talks could take place.

After the fall of France, only an [agreement for} compete German withdrawal from conquered territories could have justified peace talks.

But, I have actually seen purported private offers from Germany just along these lines. Makes one wonder, does it not?

To be honest, Ned, it makes me wonder that you site no sources for these extraordinary claims.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Ned

But, who appointed her policeman of Europe?

Just a shot in the dark, but can I have Geography for $100, Alex?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Ned


Molly, I conduct a search and found a site that was discussing this peace offer and the British response. The site said that the Brit records were to remain sealed well into the 21st Century, which seems a bit unusual.

If you conduct your own search, you will find it. Otherwise, trust me as I have tried to replicate the search and find it again for you, but I have been unsuccessful.

This is sounding very mythological.

Why should he be able to find something you yourself cannot?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Ned

But, who appointed her policeman of Europe?

Heck. This is too good to pass up.

Ned, can I assume that you are a supporter of Kennedy?

[Ned]

NYE, Yes. But he was talking about fighting for freedom, not for empire.

[Ned]

Originally posted by notyoueither


This is sounding very mythological.

Why should he be able to find something you yourself cannot?

I have seen all this on the internet, but some time ago.

But the report on the records being sealed I saw just this week. I cannot find that document again for the life of me even though I have spent hours looking for it.