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  • It's official -- it's best to get cut, boys

    It doesn't get much more definitive than having to halt the trial for ethical reasons.

    Snip, snip!

    From the NYT...

    December 13, 2006
    Circumcision Reduces Risk of AIDS, Study Finds
    By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.

    Circumcising African men may cut their risk of catching AIDS in half, the National Institutes of Health said today as it stopped two clinical trials in Africa, when preliminary results suggested that circumcision worked so well that it would be unethical not to offer it to uncircumcised men in the trials.

    AIDS experts immediately hailed the result, saying it gave the world a new way to fight the spread of AIDS, and the directors of the two largest funds for fighting the disease said they would now consider paying for circumcisions.

    “This is very exciting news,” said Daniel Halperin, an H.I.V. specialist at Harvard’s Center for Population and Development, who has argued in scientific journals for years that circumcision slows the spread of AIDS in the parts of Africa where it is practiced.

    In an interview from Zimbabwe, Mr. Halperin added: “I have no doubt that, as word of this gets around, millions of African men will want to get circumcised and that will save many lives.”

    But experts also cautioned that circumcision is no cure-all. It only lessens the chances that a man will catch the virus, it is expensive compared to condoms, abstinence or other methods, and the surgery has serious risks if performed by folk healers using dirty blades, as often happens in rural Africa.

    Sex education messages to young men need to make it clear that “this does not mean that you have an absolute protection,” said Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, an AIDS researcher and director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which sponsored the trials. Circumcision should be added to other prevention methods, not replace them, he said.

    The two trials were carried out among nearly 3,000 men in Kisumu, Kenya, and nearly 5,000 men in Rakai, Uganda. None were infected with H.I.V., the virus that causes AIDS; they were divided into circumcised and uncircumcised groups. They were given safe sex advice — although many presumably did not take it — and retested regularly.

    The trials were stopped by the National Institutes of Health’s Data Safety and Monitoring Board this week after data showed that the Kenyan men had a 53 percent reduction in new H.I.V. cases and the Ugandan men a 48 percent reduction.

    In Kenya, 22 of the 1,393 circumcised young men in the study caught the disease, compared with 47 of the 1,391 uncircumcised men.

    Those results echo the finding of a trial completed last year in the town of Orange Farm, South Africa, financed by the French government, which demonstrated a reduction of 60 percent among circumcised men.

    Two agencies, one under the State Department and the other financed by a number of countries, said they now would be willing to pay for circumcisions, which they have not before, citing a lack of hard evidence that it works.

    Dr. Richard G. A. Feachem, executive director of the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, said that if a country seeking money submitted plans to conduct safe, sterile circumcisions, “I think it’s very likely that our technical panel would approve it.”

    Ambassador Mark Dybul, executive director of the $15 billion President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief in the State Department, said his agency “will support implementation of safe medical male circumcision for HIV/AIDS prevention.”

    He too warned that it was only one new weapon.

    “Prevention efforts must reinforce the ABC approach — abstain, be faithful and correct and consistent use of condoms,” he said.

    Uncircumcised men are thought to be more susceptible to AIDS because the underside of the foreskin is rich in Langerhans’ cells, which attach easily to the virus. The foreskin may also suffer small tears during intercourse, making it more susceptible to infection.

    Researchers have long noted that parts of Africa where circumcision is practiced — particularly in the Muslim countries of West Africa — had much lower AIDS rates. But it was unclear whether other factors, such as religion or polygamy, played important roles.

    Outside Muslim regions, circumcision is spotty. In South Africa, for example, the Xhosa people circumcise teen-age boys, while Zulus, whose traditional homeland abuts theirs, do not. AIDS is common in members of both tribes.

    In recent years, as word has spread that circumcision might be protective, many African men have sought it out. A Zambian hospital offered $3 circumcisions last year, and Swaziland trained 60 doctors to give them at $40 each after its waiting lists grew.

    “Private practitioners also do it,” Dr. Halperin said. “In some places, it’s $20, in others, much more. Lots of the wealthy elite have already done it. It prevents STD’s, it’s seen as cleaner, sex is better, women like it. I predict that a lot of men who can’t afford private clinics will start clamoring for it.”
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    Now the question begs to be answered, how does this affect sexual relationships with dead deer?
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    • #3
      If you are cut, you feel LESS, fact

      And you generally can avoid aids by not being a slut (altough if your other one is one, you may get it anyway )
      I need a foot massage

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      • #4
        How can you say FACT?
        You only have reference for one or the other.
        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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        • #5
          Re: It's official -- it's best to get cut, boys

          Originally posted by DanS
          It doesn't get much more definitive than having to halt the trial for ethical reasons.

          Snip, snip!

          From the NYT...
          In Africa... without a reliable supply of reliable condoms...

          Try again.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
            If you are cut, you feel LESS, fact
            And therefore, can go much LONGER, fact
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            • #7
              Originally posted by SlowwHand
              How can you say FACT?
              You only have reference for one or the other.
              Eh, he could be late-snipped, experience in both...
              I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous


                And therefore, can go much LONGER, fact
                Not fact. Trust me, I'm a gay man. I've been able to do comparison studies.
                Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
                -Richard Dawkins

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                • #9
                  Sloww -

                  And bloody hell, if I wanted guys to go for longer I'd get bionic implants in my arm...


                  Tell you what, if I continue to always use a condom do I get to avoid the bad men coming near my **** with a knife?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SlowwHand
                    How can you say FACT?
                    You only have reference for one or the other.
                    Its a fact in my case, I was cut at the age of 28 whilst married
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                    • #11
                      Circumcising African men may cut their risk of catching AIDS in half
                      Ok - as soon as my kids become African men I'll have them circumcised.
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                      • #12
                        THis is amazing mathematics for .... people with square hats.

                        If your chance of gettign AIDS without a condom is.. say 5%... and if you are cut, it's say, 2.5%. THat's not exactly 'half less of a chance'. Get it?

                        Of course not.
                        In da butt.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Starchild


                          Not fact. Trust me, I'm a gay man. I've been able to do comparison studies.
                          Were these double blind controlled studies?
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                          • #14
                            I don't know about "double blind." He said gay, not mutual-disability fetish.
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                            • #15
                              Err...so men recently circumcized got HIV less.

                              Perhaps this has to do with them having a scarred, sore penis?
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