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BTW, if couples are supposed to use condoms 100% of the time, how are they supposed to, you know, make a baby? I realize thats not a principle concern of everyone here, but it does come up.
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
Er. uhm, i think theres a qualifier you left out. As it stands you seem to imply that I have NOT been circumcized.
Of course you're circumcised. No one unmutiliated argues in favour of such activity.
The key is circumcised in adulthood.
BTW, if couples are supposed to use condoms 100% of the time, how are they supposed to, you know, make a baby? I realize thats not a principle concern of everyone here, but it does come up.
What a ridiculous question. If you're making a baby, you don't use a condom...but if one if you is infected with HIV already, what difference does it make?
Monogamous couples don't need condoms if they've both been fully tested and have waited 1.5-2 years to be tested again to be sure they're not infected with STDs.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Originally posted by Flubber
Oh no - a circumcision thread--
Half of poly will be distracted beating this to death again
It's been a while since I've started a guaranteed 500 post thread.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
Originally posted by lord of the mark
Note the key number is the CHANGE from non-use to use. Some serum discordant couples remain so, IIUC, despite NOT using condoms. Some folks may be naturally immune, or just lucky.
I'm not sure you even know what argument you are trying to make.
Condoms are insanely effective against HIV. Circumcision is a complete joke in terms of protection. You're statistically more likely to encounter complications from circumcision operations than get HIV while using a condom.
That pretty much ends the debate right there, doesn't it?
(BTW, the passage you quoted is focused on women getting HIV from an infected male...look at the status of a man getting HIV from an infected partner, which is what this thread is about)
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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I'm not sure you even know what argument you are trying to make.
Condoms are insanely effective against HIV. Circumcision is a complete joke in terms of protection. You're statistically more likely to encounter complications from circumcision operations than get HIV while using a condom.
That pretty much ends the debate right there, doesn't it?
Evidntly not for any of the physicians involved. Including Dr Anthony Fauci, who was quoted in the WaPo, though not in the article Dan posted. But what the hell does HE know about HIV?
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
It's been a while since I've started a guaranteed 500 post thread.
I thought for sure I had a winnner with Dead Deer sex.
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I'm not sure you even know what argument you are trying to make.
Condoms are insanely effective against HIV. Circumcision is a complete joke in terms of protection. You're statistically more likely to encounter complications from circumcision operations than get HIV while using a condom.
That pretty much ends the debate right there, doesn't it?
(BTW, the passage you quoted is focused on women getting HIV from an infected male...look at the status of a man getting HIV from an infected partner, which is what this thread is about)
A males odds of getting it from an infected female are lower than vice versa, and AFAIK thats true with or without condoms.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
Originally posted by lord of the mark
A males odds of getting it from an infected female are lower than vice versa, and AFAIK thats true with or without condoms.
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Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
I thought for sure I had a winnner with Dead Deer sex.
The beauty of this thread is that it's likely to stay on-topic to the end. A high degree of difficulty under normal circumstances.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
Originally posted by lord of the mark
Evidntly not for any of the physicians involved. Including Dr Anthony Fauci, who was quoted in the WaPo, though not in the article Dan posted. But what the hell does HE know about HIV?
No idea, but if he disagrees with every other piece of medical literature that has been printed before I'm wondering if he's just getting publicity for further funding from certain kinds of groups. *cough*
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
Originally posted by lord of the mark
A males odds of getting it from an infected female are lower than vice versa, and AFAIK thats true with or without condoms.
No squirming, please.
The subject of this article has to do with circumcision preventing males from getting HIV.
We know this.
And we also know condoms are well above 99% effective at preventing HIV from spreading to them when using condoms.
You have tried to use smoke and mirrors to hide this fact by talking about female infection rates and now suddenly general common sense, but it's skirting around the real issue.
You are more likely to get complications from circumcision procedures than to get HIV while using a condom.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
No idea, but if he disagrees with every other piece of medical literature that has been printed before I'm wondering if he's just getting publicity for further funding from certain kinds of groups. *cough*
I didnt mean to make this all about an appeal to authority, but since you dont seem to know who Fauci is
"Anthony S. Fauci is an immunologist who has made substantial contributions to research in the areas of AIDS and other immunodeficiencies, both as a scientist and as the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID).
Fauci is a native of Brooklyn, New York. He graduated from Regis High School, like Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald. He attended the College of the Holy Cross and later received his M.D. degree from Cornell University Medical College in 1966. He then completed an internship and residency at The New York Hospital-Cornell Medical Center. In 1968, Fauci came to the National Institutes of Health (NIH) as a clinical associate in the Laboratory of Clinical Investigation (LCI) in NIAID. In 1974, he became Head of the Clinical Physiology Section, LCI, and in 1980 was appointed Chief of the Laboratory of Immunoregulation, a position he still holds. In 1984, Fauci became Director of NIAID, where he oversees an extensive research portfolio of basic and applied research to prevent, diagnose, and treat infectious and immune-mediated illnesses, including HIV/AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases, illness from potential agents of bioterrorism, tuberculosis, malaria, autoimmune disorders, asthma and allergies.
Fauci has made many contributions to basic and clinical research on the pathogenesis and treatment of immune-mediated diseases. He has pioneered the field of human immunoregulation by making a number of basic scientific observations that serve as the basis for current understanding of the regulation of the human immune response. In addition, Fauci is widely recognized for delineating the precise mechanisms whereby immunosuppressive agents modulate the human immune response. He has developed effective therapies for formerly fatal diseases such as polyarteritis nodosa, Wegener's granulomatosis, and lymphomatoid granulomatosis. A 1985 Stanford University Arthritis Center Survey of the American Rheumatism Association membership ranked the work of Fauci on the treatment of polyarteritis nodosa and Wegener's granulomatosis as one of the most important advances in patient management in rheumatology over the previous 20 years.
Fauci has made seminal contributions to the understanding of how HIV destroys the body's defenses leading to its susceptibility to deadly infections and the progression to AIDS. He also has delineated the mechanisms of induction of HIV expression by endogenous cytokines. Furthermore, he has been instrumental in developing strategies for the therapy and immune reconstitution of patients with this serious disease, as well as for a vaccine to prevent HIV infection. He continues to devote much of his research time to identifying the nature of the immunopathogenic mechanisms of HIV infection and the scope of the body's immune responses to HIV.
In 2003, an Institute for Scientific Information study indicated that in the twenty year period from 1983 to 2002, Fauci was the 13th most-cited scientist among the 2.5 to 3 million authors in all disciplines throughout the world who published articles in scientific journals during that time frame. Fauci was the ninth most-cited scientist in the field of immunology in the period from January 1993 to June 30, 2003. Through the years, Fauci has served as Visiting Professor at major medical centers throughout the country. He has delivered many major lectureships all over the world and is the recipient of numerous prestigious awards for his scientific accomplishments, including 30 honorary doctorate degrees from universities in the United States and abroad."
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
The subject of this article has to do with circumcision preventing males from getting HIV.
We know this.
And we also know condoms are well above 99% effective at preventing HIV from spreading to them when using condoms.
You have tried to use smoke and mirrors to hide this fact by talking about female infection rates and now suddenly general common sense, but it's skirting around the real issue.
Actually those we are the only studies I found that had anything quantitative on the effects of condoms on HIV transmission, and thats why I cited them.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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