It's official -- it's best to get cut, boys

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by TheStinger


Its a fact in my case, I was cut at the age of 28 whilst married

So using the logic prevalent at ACS, cutting is better, or neither you nor your wife would have voted for the procedure.
FACT!

[Asher]

Originally posted by SlowwHand


So using the logic prevalent at ACS, cutting is better, or neither you nor your wife would have voted for the procedure.
FACT!

So you think people who have their arms amputated to protect infection voted for it also?

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by MOBIUS


Translation of SpencerH: All Africans are a bunch of promiscuous amoral ****ers who share their sexual partners like crack addicts share needles...

SpencerH is a racist.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Asher


So you think people who have their arms amputated to protect infection voted for it also?

So he was in danger of a cockectomy?

[Asher]

There are several medical issues for which circumcision is a treatment. It's not likely it's something he wanted or "voted for".

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Arrian
This is sorta like saying that driving a SUV w/o a seatbelt on is slightly safer than driving a Honda Civic w/o a seatbelt on. It's pointless, because if you wear the frickin' seatbelt, you'd be much safer than either seatbeltless option.

I was circumsized as a babe. I have no idea whether or not I'm missing out on something. I don't particularly care, to be honest. It's pointless.

-Arrian

The study doesnt say what YOU should do. It gives an idea of what public health officials in Africa should encourage, given the range of condom usage likely even given any pro-condom programs. (Its not clear to me whether the studies also imply that circumcision decreases risk given condom usage - condoms not being 100% effective in stopping HIV) Its too bad some folks can only respond to a public health issue on personal terms. Kinda like those folks who dont want to subsidize birth control in less developed countries cause theyre afraid of legitimizing certain values here.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Asher
There are several medical issues for which circumcision is a treatment. It's not likely it's something he wanted or "voted for".

Well, let's just find out.

STINGER! Why'd they give you a cockicure?

[Asher]

I'm sorry -- if condoms are too much work or too expensive or too inaccessible for widespread use in Africa, why is this a solution? Sterile circumcision by professionals is not a solution for Africa.

[Flubber]

Oh no - a circumcision thread--

Half of poly will be distracted beating this to death again

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Asher
I'm sorry -- if condoms are too much work or too expensive or too inaccessible for widespread use in Africa, why is this a solution? Sterile circumcision by professionals is not a solution for Africa.

A one time operation vs something that needs to be done with every sex act, and that is sometimes overlooked in the heat of the moment, or in the conditions surrounding the act. It seems quite possible that one would work in societies where the other doesnt.

also since BOTH reduce the chances of invection, but neither is absolute protection, why would one exclude the other?

[Asher]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
A one time operation vs something that needs to be done with every sex act, and that is sometimes overlooked in the heat of the moment, or in the conditions surrounding the act. It seems quite possible that one would work in societies where the other doesnt.

also since BOTH reduce the chances of invection, but neither is absolute protection, why would one exclude the other?

The chance of getting HIV through proper condom use is virtually nil. In fact, there are many gay couples where one is HIV+ and the other is not, and they have sex for years together while never infecting the other.

There is simply no rationale for circumcising to reduce the spread of HIV. At all.

It's also impractical in Africa, where apparently convincing boys to wear a rubber is hard enough -- can you imagine telling them to go through excruciating pain and having less sensitivity in a potentially infected environment? It's stupid.

If anything the "knowledge" that circumcision may reduce HIV transmission rates on its own may lead to circumcised men being less consistent with the use of a condom. And since condoms are already upwards of 99% effective, there's no excuse to be chopping them up.

[Wezil]

edit: nm - smilie wouldn't work...?

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Asher
There is simply no rationale for circumcising to reduce the spread of HIV. At all.

Well, since it's a known fact that circumcising reduces one's pleasure, circumcised men are likely to be less promiscuous

[Lorizael]

I'm also in favor of circumsizing poor, innocent African babies because my zionist jew of a father villainously circumsized me as a baby and I need to get revenge on someone.

[Arrian]

The study doesnt say what YOU should do

OF COURSE IT DOESN'T. It's about Africa. The argument quickly devolved, however, into a "my snipped/unsnipped one is better, na-na-na-boo-boo."

Given the situation in Africa, I understand pushing circumcision: if there is less resistance to getting cut than to practicing safe sex (the far better option), then by all means push circumcision. Don't let up on condoms, though.

-Arrian