It's official -- it's best to get cut, boys

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Asher
why would they go through a very invasive and painful operation that gives noticeable pleasure loss (way more than just using a condom would)?

Why dont you ask THEM?

from the article in the OP

"In recent years, as word has spread that circumcision might be protective, many African men have sought it out. A Zambian hospital offered $3 circumcisions last year, and Swaziland trained 60 doctors to give them at $40 each after its waiting lists grew.

“Private practitioners also do it,” Dr. Halperin said. “In some places, it’s $20, in others, much more. Lots of the wealthy elite have already done it. It prevents STD’s, it’s seen as cleaner, sex is better, women like it. I predict that a lot of men who can’t afford private clinics will start clamoring for it.”"

[Asher]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Why dont you ask THEM?

from the article in the OP

"In recent years, as word has spread that circumcision might be protective, many African men have sought it out. A Zambian hospital offered $3 circumcisions last year, and Swaziland trained 60 doctors to give them at $40 each after its waiting lists grew.

“Private practitioners also do it,” Dr. Halperin said. “In some places, it’s $20, in others, much more. Lots of the wealthy elite have already done it. It prevents STD’s, it’s seen as cleaner, sex is better, women like it. I predict that a lot of men who can’t afford private clinics will start clamoring for it.”"

This is ridiculous!

Of course many men do it. That doesn't mean the vast majority would or should.

And I don't think you realize how much money $20-$40 is in Africa...

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Asher

Considering that in the areas ravaged by HIV the biggest problem is the declining population due to HIV, I'd reckon it's you not paying attention.

And birth control pills are not popular in Africa. Just another thing you're out to lunch about.

In Kenya and Uganda where the studies were done, the population growth rates are well over 2% per annum. pop is now declining ina few places like Botswana, but that country is relatively affluent and had lower birth rates already. Certain in places like Kenya and Uganda birth control is a very important issue.


I used birth control pills for the sake of illustrating the logic of discouraging an effective method of dealing with a problem in order to encourage condom usage. It could apply as well to any non-condom method of birth control.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Asher

This is ridiculous!

Of course many men do it. That doesn't mean the vast majority would or should.

And I don't think you realize how much money $20-$40 is in Africa...

Many men do it, despite the cost. If it were less costly, many more might do it. You asked WHY any would do it, and I gave you the answer. An answer that contradicts your a priori views.

[Asher]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Many men do it, despite the cost. If it were less costly, many more might do it. You asked WHY any would do it, and I gave you the answer. An answer that contradicts your a priori views.

Many men also rape little boys, this is not an acceptable argument for explaining why the masses should or will do something.

[Zero]

f you are cut, you feel LESS, fact

And you generally can avoid aids by not being a slut (altough if your other one is one, you may get it anyway )

Originally posted by SlowwHand
How can you say FACT?
You only have reference for one or the other.

if an uncircumcized man had to marry a jew, they'd might kno

[Asher]

"Many" uncircumcised men have been circumcised in adulthood and testify to the loss of sensation.

[Jon Miller]

It makes sense that Africans would think that circumcision was better than comdoms. That is a more physical action, and so makes sense that it would have better results (despite not, for good use of condoms).

I mean, look at what other 'home remedies' are applied over there.

JM

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Asher

Many men also rape little boys, this is not an acceptable argument for explaining why the masses should or will do something.

What? You asked why anyone would do this, and I gave a quote why. I dont see whats so complicated about it. I mean you can argue their wrong, but it seems silly to argue theres no demand.

FYI --- circumcision in Africa is NOT offered, AFAIK by either Apple or Sony.

[Asher]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
What? You asked why anyone would do this, and I gave a quote why. I dont see whats so complicated about it. I mean you can argue their wrong, but it seems silly to argue theres no demand.

I was asking why the general African public would be clamouring for circumcisions. You provided a quote that shows us at least some people have found it's worthwhile to get circumcised (I guarantee you they're not very educated on the matter), but that does not speak for the public at large. Your quote specifically mentions the "wealthy elite", as as you know are few and far between.

The end result? It's a ridiculous comment. If these people knew how good condoms were they wouldn't be off getting their dicks chopped. I can't help but think these poor fools tricked into getting circumcised are having unprotected sex afterwards -- why not, anyway! They've been cured by the knife.

FYI --- circumcision in Africa is NOT offered, AFAIK by either Apple or Sony.

Harr harr. Circumcision is a bit more evil than Apple or Sony. You're crippling a man's most precious pieces.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
FYI --- circumcision in Africa is NOT offered, AFAIK by either Apple or Sony.

[Asher]

Originally posted by LordShiva

If you seriously LOLed at that, there is no hope for India.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Asher
If you seriously LOLed at that, there is no hope for India.

I've been LOLing alot today, for some reason.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Asher

I was asking why the general African public would be clamouring for circumcisions. You provided a quote that shows us at least some people have found it's worthwhile to get circumcised (I guarantee you they're not very educated on the matter), but that does not speak for the public at large. Your quote specifically mentions the "wealthy elite", as as you know are few and far between.

The end result? It's a ridiculous comment. If these people knew how good condoms were they wouldn't be off getting their dicks chopped. I can't help but think these poor fools tricked into getting circumcised are having unprotected sex afterwards -- why not, anyway! They've been cured by the knife.


Harr harr. Circumcision is a bit more evil than Apple or Sony. You're crippling a man's most precious pieces.

Merriam Webster

cripple -to deprive of the use of a limb and especially a leg

A subtle (at MOST) difference in sensation does not constitute crippling.

[Asher]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
cripple -to deprive of the use of a limb and especially a leg

A subtle (at MOST) difference in sensation does not constitute crippling.

You are depriving the man of the use of the most sensitive and nerve-dense organ of the human body. Cripple is apt.

tr.v. crip·pled, crip·pling, crip·ples

1. To cause to lose the use of a limb or limbs.
2. To disable, damage, or impair the functioning of

Get over it.

(Also, "subtle (at MOST)"? Do some research about the foreskin. Subtle is an understatement)