Let us celebrate the official end of the multiculturalist experiment in Britain!

[Drogue]

Originally posted by BeBro
The end of the "multicultural experiment" bit is just hysteria - it's not about getting a uniform culture, it's about getting people from different cultural backgrounds to accept some basic standards.

Exactly.

For those people who are against Blair's speech, which of:

the belief in democracy, the rule of law, tolerance, equal treatment for all, respect for this country

would you be happy for immigrants to not agree with? I'm all for multi-culturalism, people celebrating their own culture wherever it may be from, but they must still respect other cultures, have tolerance for other attitudes and conform for British law.

I agree with Starchild, this isn't something that is unique to Britain, that makes Britain what it is, however that doesn't mean that immigrants, or indeed anyone else, should be able to ignore it.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by TheStinger


A recent law in the UK means we can strip miscreants of their aquired citizenship.

You can have him back

Nope. He has no citizenship here to return to.

He wanted a British lordship, and a Canadian custom prevents Canadian citizens from taking foreign honours. The UK refused to give him the lordship in defiance of the wishes of the Canadian government, so Mr. Black renounced his citizenship. Now he's on trial in the US for his malfeasance and he wants his citizenship back so he can serve whatever time he receives in a civilised Canadian jail instead of the black hole of the US prison system under a reciprocal agreement between us and the US.

The Canadian government told him to get stuffed.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Nope. He has no citizenship here to return to.

He wanted a British lordship, and a Canadian custom prevents Canadian citizens from taking foreign honours. The UK refused to give him the lordship in defiance of the wishes of the Canadian government, so Mr. Black renounced his citizenship. Now he's on trial in the US for his malfeasance and he wants his citizenship back so he can serve whatever time he receives in a civilised Canadian jail instead of the black hole of the US prison system under a reciprocal agreement between us and the US.

The Canadian government told him to get stuffed.

tell you what will drop him in the Atlantic and if he can swim to shore he can stay in whatever country he reaches

[Ned]

"the belief in democracy, the rule of law, tolerance, equal treatment for all, respect for this country"

What does Britain do about commies, who are against all of this.

[Ned]

BTW, if Blair gave that speech in the US, he would be labeled as a right wing lunatic fringe racist facist warmonging moron... just to begin with.

[Dis]

he is a right wing lunatic fringe racist fascist warmongering moron.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Ned
"the belief in democracy, the rule of law, tolerance, equal treatment for all, respect for this country"
What does Britain do about commies, who are against all of this.

British commies aren't against those. British commies tend to be non-revolutionary, for the most part, which puts them for all these. Indeed, it's easy to make "equal treatment for all" also refer to equal healthcare treatment, equal educational treatment, etc., which all goes against raw capitalist tendencies.

If we had many of the extreme commies other countries might, who want revolutions, then we'd treat them as we would with any extremists - under our law.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Drogue

British commies aren't against those. British commies tend to be non-revolutionary, for the most part, which puts them for all these. Indeed, it's easy to make "equal treatment for all" also refer to equal healthcare treatment, equal educational treatment, etc., which all goes against raw capitalist tendencies.

If we had many of the extreme commies other countries might, who want revolutions, then we'd treat them as we would with any extremists - under our law.

Brit commies believe in democracy? Now I've heard it all.

[Drogue]

Yeh, the ones I've seen. They just believe people should vote for commies. Spiffor believes in democracy too, AFAIK, and he's a commie. I don't see the two as exclusive at all

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Ned
"the belief in democracy, the rule of law, tolerance, equal treatment for all, respect for this country"

What does Britain do about commies, who are against all of this.

Yeah, evil British commies are contaminating our precious bodily fluids. :generalripper:

There are no 'commies' worth speaking of in Britain, Ned. Put your Strangelovian paranoia back in its box. This debate has nothing to do with communism, and true communism has nothing to do with multicultural orthodoxy.

Liberal-leftism - that's another matter, but don't confuse the two for the sake of cheap, cold-war style propaganda points.

[Ned]

Droque, et al., they your modern Euro-commies are nothing more than Social Democrats. Pansies by comparison.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Drogue
Spiffor believes in democracy too, AFAIK, and he's a commie.

Indeed
Just like pretty much my entire party btw

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Ned
Droque, et al., they your modern Euro-commies are nothing more than Social Democrats. Pansies by comparison.

No, there's a distinct difference. Social Democrats believe in a capitalist economy with high, progressive tax and the public services and welfare programmes to match. Communists believe in a non-capitalist system, where exchange is done without money and where labour holds all value, rather than capital having an impact.

[KrazyHorse]

There's a difference between a social democrat and a democratic socialist.

Social democrats are not socialists by any reasonable definition of the word.

[Ned]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
There's a difference between a social democrat and a democratic socialist.

Social democrats are not socialists by any reasonable definition of the word.

Except they do believe in economic equality and socialism as an ideal.