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How is this so? Wouldn't that imply a 12+ month gestation period since Christmas is designated as Dec. 25?
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1. It's the day they celebrate, never stated as the day it happened.
2. Similarly, Christmas is just the day they celebrate the birth of Jesus, and is acknowledged by the church as bearing no relation to the actual date of birth. It was chosen as a replacement for seasonal heathen holidays such as Sol Invictus, Yule, and Saturnalia.
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There is a widespread misunderstanding of the term immaculate conception. Many people, even many Catholics, believe this refers to the conception of Jesus by Mary. Nearly every time this term is used in the mass media, it is in reference to the conception of Jesus by Mary. Because of this, the immaculate conception is sometimes jokingly referred to as "the immaculate misconception". The conception of Jesus by Mary is more properly called the Incarnation of Christ. The phrase "Immaculate Conception," by Catholic interpretation, is not directly connected to the concept of the "Virgin Birth." The Catholic Church celebrates the Immaculate Conception on 8 December, exactly nine months before the official birthday of Mary. The Incarnation of Christ, also known as The Annunciation, is celebrated on 25 March, nine months before Christmas Day.Last edited by -Jrabbit; December 8, 2006, 14:38.Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
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Besides, immaculate conceptions don't need to have the same gestation periods as regular conceptions, duh!THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTFComment
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First off, the Immaculate Conception is the Immaculate Conception of MARY not of Christ, where she was immaculately conceived in the womb of St. Anne.
If you want to read more about the feast day, go here.
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I had no idea, but then again religion never interested me.
immaculate conceptions probably don't look as good on video as regular ones.Comment
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Wait now MARY is imaculatly concived TOO??? And how dose that NOT make her the dauter of god??Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators, the creator seeks - those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest. - Thus spoke Zarathustra, Fredrick NietzscheComment
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Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
Wait now MARY is imaculatly concived TOO??? And how dose that NOT make her the dauter of god??
Doesn't that mean that god has practiced incest ???
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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If you read the link, it will tell more about the immaculate conception.Wait now MARY is imaculatly concived TOO??? And how dose that NOT make her the dauter of god??
Catholics believe Mary to be sinless and that she was bodily assumed into heaven. The only way she could be free from original sin is if she were immaculately conceived.
The reason she isn't the daughter of God, is because she has a human father and mother, unlike Christ who has Mary as his mother and God as his father.
She was only kept free from sin because Christ chose her to be his mother.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Immaculate conception = damn good sex?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "Comment
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God is Christs biological father. IIUC Christians maintain that Joseph was also his father, following halacha that the children of a mans wife are treated as his children. Thats how they can maintain that hes a "son of David" and "of the stock of Jesse". Of course the Halachic issue, IIUC, is that a married woman is trusted in her statement of who the father is - and this applies to all issues where patrilineal descent applies, such as tribal membership, priestly status, etc. In the case of Christ, Mary did NOT claim Joseph as the biological father, and of course per the NT he was definitely not, so Im not sure that the halacha would apply in that instance. I dont think it made allowance for virgin births. Though since we dont have a post bibilical codification of the law from prior to the birth of Christ, I suppose thats impossible to prove.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
If you read the link, it will tell more about the immaculate conception.
Catholics believe Mary to be sinless and that she was bodily assumed into heaven. The only way she could be free from original sin is if she were immaculately conceived.
The reason she isn't the daughter of God, is because she has a human father and mother, unlike Christ who has Mary as his mother and God as his father.
She was only kept free from sin because Christ chose her to be his mother."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Are you saying that gods son existed before he was born ? If so, who is his real mother ?Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
She was only kept free from sin because Christ chose her to be his mother.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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even I know the answer to that. I guess the non-anglophones never got to read "Paradise Lost".Originally posted by BlackCat
Are you saying that gods son existed before he was born ? If so, who is his real mother ?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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That may be an exaggeration - some non-anglophones has probably read it, but I admit that current specimen hasn't. A quick check at wikipedia though confuses me a bit. It claims that christ is god, but if it's so, then the trinity doesn't make much sense since the two of those are identical.Originally posted by lord of the mark
even I know the answer to that. I guess the non-anglophones never got to read "Paradise Lost".With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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christ is part of God or something, and sat with God at creation and (in Paradise Lost) fought a battle with Satan about that time. So hes been around forever, so to speak. His being born is just his entry into the world as an "incarnate being"
As for how he can be God and man, thats something the christians have argued about for 2000 years, and from time to time fought wars about the details of. Not my thing exactly.
ill leave that stuff to BK, who can explain it much better, esp given as he believes in it.
I can heartily recommend Paradise Lost, however."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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I actually found it a bit funny that an atheist and a jew discussed cristian matters.
Though, I'm grateful for your info since I'm a curious person
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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