New York City passes trans fat ban

[SlowwHand]

Only thing I ever would eat at Mickey D's is a McRib and fries. Maybe a milk shake.

[LordShiva]

I've never been to a McD's that serves McRib

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Sava
Personally, I don't understand the trans-fat supporters.

You cannot notice a difference in taste between using healthy alternatives (olive oil for cooking, for instance). This is not about the government telling people what they can or cannot eat. That is a strawman argument.

The only thing this is about is a toxic, artificially produced oil being banned. Period.

Personally I don't understand weed legalization supporters not supporting the right to ingest food stuffs.

[SlowwHand]

Or vise-versa.

And Shiva, maybe you best just come here after all.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Sava


The term means you are setting up a counter-argument that has nothing to do with what we are talking about (easily refuted). And that's what you are doing.

Actually no. It presupposes a counter-arguement your opposition will take and then demolishes it. The problem with strawmen is many debaters don't actually attempt to create the arguement the person anticipated them making.

Establishing strawman is often a good way to pre-empt a line of thinking and is a valid logical exercise especially from a debate planning perspective.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe



But the fact that they are man made is rather immaterial to the nature of them either being beneficial or harmful. Many purely man made compounds are serving the health industry in ways natural compounds could never do.

All the man made monniker does is look to lay blame at the feet of industry for devloping a process to create fats that were at the time of their development revolutionary in that they were extremely resistant to oxidative processes that cause rancidity.

Im no luddite, and I know man made != bad. But the man made label is important, in that it establishes a limit on what govt can regulate. Its established law and custom in this country that govt can regulate food additives, but that a free person has the right to, say, eat a fat juicy steak even its unhealthy. So what NYC is doing, IF transfats are manmade, is NOT establishing a new precedent of govt control of what you eat. If,OTOH, transfats ARE natural, then NYC IS establishing a new precedent, and the potential threat to liberty presumably establishes a much higher standard for societal harm.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

LotM,

I never implied anything towards trans fats with respect to goodness or badness for the body. I simply wanted to know why man made enters into the debate at all. It was automatically assumed man made is bad from Sava and Verto.

Man made trans fats were done once upon a time for a reason. Primarily for storageability where animal fat products were not likely to last.

No biggy. Now we know better wrt tot he health effects. But this is not cause for a man made products are teh devil discussion.

As for the new legal territory I believe NYC has attempted to clear themselves by attacking man made transfats only despite the fact that transfats do ocurr in nature only at least according to the article and from that perspective the vegetable oils do go thorugh hydrogenation.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
LotM,

I never implied anything towards trans fats with respect to goodness or badness for the body. I simply wanted to know why man made enters into the debate at all. It was automatically assumed man made is bad from Sava and Verto.

Man made trans fats were done once upon a time for a reason. Primarily for storageability where animal fat products were not likely to last.

No biggy. Now we know better wrt tot he health effects. But this is not cause for a man made products are teh devil discussion.

As for the new legal territory I believe NYC has attempted to clear themselves by attacking man made transfats only despite the fact that transfats do ocurr in nature only at least according to the article and from that perspective the vegetable oils do go thorugh hydrogenation.

Maybe I missed something, I thought Sava and Vertos point was not "man made are the devil" but rather "man made are traditionally regulated by govt, so this is no biggie"

[SlowwHand]

Verto is skipping class again, that's his reason.
Sava...well, Sava..... Sava?

[Drake Tungsten]

Trans fat
Required listing of trans fat on labels
Banning trans fat

[Provost Harrison]

Banning strychnine in food

[BlackCat]

Banning lead water pipes

[Drake Tungsten]

Moronic Europeans

[SlowwHand]

They don't get it, Drake. They'd just as soon have the government tell them what material their jammies should be made of, silk or cotton.

[Drake Tungsten]

Obviously. Europeans love the nanny-state.