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Originally posted by SlowwHand
Sava, the point is, it's not the government's business?
Yes it is. The existence of the FDA shows that there's a role for the government in regulating the food industry in the interests of the greater good and public health.
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I said, you care not for anything but your gender preference.
I also note that either you can't read or you're the biggest crabber I know.
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Originally posted by SlowwHand
I said, you care not for anything but your gender preference.
I also note that either you can't read or you're the biggest crabber I know.
1) It was a play on the words trans-fat.
2) Transvestites are not necessarily gay...
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Products containing trans-fats are shipped across state lines... interstate commerce. Thus, the government has every right to regulate or ban them. The fact that these are toxic substances being used in the production of food only goes to support the notion that they need to be banned... morally, not necessarily legally.
The constitution.
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Agreed. I don't see how one can argue that banning transfat is some kind of attack on civil liberties...unless they consider the FDA to be some kind of Big Brother apparatus.
Originally posted by Sava
This is just a ban on a type of fat used in preparing foods. There are healthy alternatives. To say this is about civil liberties is retarded. Only a complete moron would say something like that.
This is about banning a substance that is toxic. Yes, trans-fats are toxic! They don't exist in nature. They are artificially created chemical food additives that are used because they are cheap.
If people want to go ingest a bucket of lard, that's their business.
Wiki
[edit] Presence in food
Milk and meat from cows and other ruminants contains naturally occurring trans fats in small quantities.Trans fats occur naturally in the milk and body fat of ruminants (such as cows and sheep) at a level of 2-5% of total fat.[4]
First the artificial transexual fats then a ban on all dairy.
For the record lard (not so much trans fats as much as saturated fat)
Lard is an animal fat produced from rendering the fat portions of the pig. Lard was a commonly used cooking oil though its use in contemporary cuisine has diminished because of health concerns posed by saturated fat and cholesterol. Lard is still commonly used to manufacture soap. Rendered fat obtained from cows or sheep is known as tallow.
Contents
1 History and cultural use
2 Culinary use
3 Source
4 Nutritional information
4.1 See also
History and cultural use
During the 19th century, lard was used in a similar fashion as butter in North America and many European nations. Lard was also held at the same level of popularity as butter in the early 20th century and was widely used as a substitute for the butter during World War II. As a readily available by-product of modern pork production, lard had been cheaper and more flavorful than most vegetable oils, and it was common in many people's diet until the industrial revolution made vegetable oils more common and more affordable.
Toward the late 20th century, lard began to be regarded as less healthy than vegetable oils such as olive and sunflower because of its high saturated fatty acid and cholesterol content.
Despite its similar chemical constituency and lower saturated fat content than butter, lard typically incites much consternation and disapproval from many North Americans. This may stem from attitudes and the perceived nature of the source animal for lard, or the methods required to obtain the fat from its source. Many restaurants in the western nations have eliminated the use of lard in their kitchens because of the religious or health related dietary restrictions of many of their clients. Many industrial confectioners substitute beef tallow for lard in order to compensate for the lack of mouthfeel in many baked goods and free their food products from pork based dietary restrictions.
Rendered lard can also be used to produce cakes of soap.
Culinary use
Lard is one of the few edible oils with a relatively high smoke point, which is because of its high saturated fatty acids content. Pure lard is especially useful for cooking since it produces very little smoke when heated and has a distinct and pleasant taste when combined with other foods. Many chefs state that lard is a superior culinary fat in terms of its possible applications and its taste. Lard does not contain any trans fat.
Because of its higher melting point, pie crusts made with lard tend to be more flaky than those made with butter. Many cooks employ both types of fat in their pastries to improve the product's texture and flavour.
Lard still plays a significant role in British, German, Hungarian, Polish, Mexican, Norwegian, and Chinese cuisines.
In the United States, use has declined with the introduction and popularization of Crisco[citation needed], which is made from partially hydrogenated cottonseed oil.
Lard sandwich (in Hungarian "Zsíroskenyér" or "Zsírosdeszka", in German "Schmalzbrot") is eaten besides beer and is best with salt, onions and paprika.
Source
Lard can be obtained from any part of the pig as long as there is a high concentration of fatty tissue.
Lard may be rendered from the fatty tissue just above the tenderloin or under the skin of the pig. The highest grade of lard, known as "leaf lard", is obtained from the leaf fat that surrounds the kidneys. The lowest grade is obtained from around the small intestines.
Lard sold in supermarkets commonly contains added BHT (a banned chemical in some countries), which is used as a preservative.
Nutritional information
Lard
Nutritional value per 100 g
Energy 900 kcal 3770 kJ
Carbohydrates 0 g
Fat 81 g
- saturated 39 g
- monounsaturated 45 g
- polyunsaturated 11 g
Protein ?
Cholesterol 95 mg
Zinc 0.1 mg
Selenium 0.2 mg
Fat percentage can vary.
Percentages are relative to US
recommendations for adults.
See also
butter
shortening
margarine
schmaltz
Crisco
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lard"
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You know, for a long time I've held the position that trans fats are bad and should be illegal.
But ****, if tobacco companies can produce and sell cigarettes legally, why can't restaurants prepare food with trans fats in them?
I think smoking is stupid. I think it shouldn't be done. And I think it's good that cigarettes have warnings on them. But if the government thinks it's okay to sell them, what business does the government have in saying trans fats shouldn't be sold?
Is New York City really saying that trans fats are more dangerous than cigarettes?
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Originally posted by Sava
Products containing trans-fats are shipped across state lines... interstate commerce. Thus, the government has every right to regulate or ban them.
You've mixed up the law. The Federal Government has the right to regulate trans-fats moving in interstate commerce. State or local governments can only ban trans-fats under the reserved police power to regulate health, safety, etc. Guarantee a court battle on whether NYC has interferred with the Federal Government's right to regulate interstate commerce.
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