Spink in Race Row

[Arrian]

The overtly racist Cali has made an appearance, I see. Complete with calling people who disagree with him bigots.

-Arrian

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Here's a little nugget for ye.

Britain's ethnic minority population has been growing- it went up 53% between the 1991 and 2001 censuses, for example. Those people thinking that "ethnic minorities = increasing criminality" would probably expect crime levels to be rising.

Yet the British Crime Survey indicates that overall crime levels are actually falling.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp


False. Crime stats are perfect when they're used correctly. It's when morons try stretching them beyond their alloted field that you get problems. I choose not to be a moron, but if you're desperate to force your way into that particular grouping then I wish you well with it.

Give me an example of a perfect crime stat.

Just about all poor areas have crime problems. Most predominantly black areas are poor. Such crime is a social problem, not some sort of marker of a "Negro Crime Gene".

All races have groups that have problems with crime, but in some races that group is consistently larger than in others. This is the case in a variety of environments, so environment is unlikely to be 100% responsible.

There we go again. How dare ol' Laz argue against the notion of those poor blacks carrying genetic criminality, right?

Shifting the blame for criminality onto whites is bigotry.

Go find the gene, Cal. Go find the gene. Until then you're just pissing in the wind.

Prove the inherent equality of all groups Laz. Until then you're just pissing in the wind.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Here's a little nugget for ye.

Britain's ethnic minority population has been growing- it went up 53% between the 1991 and 2001 censuses, for example. Those people thinking that "ethnic minorities = increasing criminality" would probably expect crime levels to be rising.

Yet the British Crime Survey indicates that overall crime levels are actually falling.

All of a sudden, crime stats are valid!

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
False. Crime stats are perfect when they're used correctly. It's when morons try stretching them beyond their alloted field that you get problems. I choose not to be a moron, but if you're desperate to force your way into that particular grouping then I wish you well with it.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by MikeH
For instance?

What'd be really useful to support your point would be an example of a country with a huge rich/poor divide where the black population is the rich, well educated majority who run the country, whites are the much poorer, ill educated minority and where the crime rate shows that a higher proportion of blacks commit crime than whites.

That's an extremely unlikely scenario because wealthier groups tend not to have as much of a problem with crime - no matter what their race. Among groups of the same economic status, however, there are still differences in crime rates.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Caligastia

Give me an example of a perfect crime stat.

Statistics on prison population are a good example. They're easily verifiable, and can give an accurate example of imprisonment levels at given times.

Of course, you then get half-wits trying to draw correllations between these and crime commital levels, but that's the fault of the half-wits, not the stats.

All races have groups that have problems with crime, but in some races that group is consistently larger than in others. This is the case in a variety of environments, so environment is unlikely to be 100% responsible.

Proof?

Shifting the blame for criminality onto whites is bigotry.

There you go- a rare Laz smiley. It takes a breathtaking level of dunderheadedness to draw one of those out of me. Your mother always knew you'd achieve something special.

Prove the inherent equality of all groups Laz. Until then you're just pissing in the wind.

Strawman. We aren't all equal. For starters, I'm one hell of a lot smarter than you.

[LordShiva]

Is this Caligastia guy for real?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Caligastia

All of a sudden, crime stats are valid!

You may draw such a conclusion if you wish. I choose to simply post it without comment.

It has to be be said, however, that my opinion is that crime rates in Britain probably are declining. There are probably a raft of reasons why, but increasing whiteness ain't one of them.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Is this Caligastia guy for real?

He'll call you a bigot for that.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
It has to be be said, however, that my opinion is that crime rates in Britain probably are declining. There are probably a raft of reasons why, but increasing whiteness ain't one of them.

No, it's because of gene splicing

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Proof?

I can see that there is no statistical proof that you would accept, but I'm sure the common association of large concentrations of blacks with crime is just anti-black bigotry, right Laz?

There you go- a rare Laz smiley. It takes a breathtaking level of dunderheadedness to draw one of those out of me. Your mother always knew you'd achieve something special.




Strawman. We aren't all equal. For starters, I'm one hell of a lot smarter than you.

Insults are your forte, clear thinking is not. Keep fighting back at those bullies in your head Laz.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp


You may draw such a conclusion if you wish. I choose to simply post it without comment.

It has to be be said, however, that my opinion is that crime rates in Britain probably are declining. There are probably a raft of reasons why, but increasing whiteness ain't one of them.

In the end, that's all either of us has in an online discussion - opinion. So you need to explain why you feel your position should be the default.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

The bullies in my head might pose a challenge, but you don't. Do you think you're doing well in this thread?

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Caligastia


That's an extremely unlikely scenario because wealthier groups tend not to have as much of a problem with crime - no matter what their race. Among groups of the same economic status, however, there are still differences in crime rates.

If you can prove that, "Among groups of the same economic status, however, there are still differences in crime rates. " is true, you still have to remember that crime rates only reflect conviction rates. Hence Laz's point 3.

3- You have little means of satisfactorily eliminating skewing factors in the very long and vulnerable series of stages that lead to conviction.