Michael J. Fox on Stem cell research....

[Imran Siddiqui]

It's amusing that Winston thinks that emotional appeals aren't made all the time in political campaigns. Hell, Bush's entire re-election campaign was on emotional appeals regarding the safety of the voter from terrorists.

[Winston]

But it's not a worthy way of campaigning, neither for the patient nor the politician. Not to mention they must believe the voters are morons for applying such tactics.

Well, they are. But that's another matter.

[Winston]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
It's amusing that Winston thinks that emotional appeals aren't made all the time in political campaigns. Hell, Bush's entire re-election campaign was on emotional appeals regarding the safety of the voter from terrorists.

Strawman. Read my previous posts, if you please.

[Imran Siddiqui]

It's not a strawman, it's reading between the lines. What is your objection to Fox's apperance? It's an emotional appeal by a celebrity rather than 'rational argument'. So what? Emotional appeals are fallen back upon all the time. They work better than rational arguments a good deal of the time.

[Winston]

I have no intention of repeating myself for the benefit of your inability to read back through the thread. I oppose the trend of severely ill people attempting emotional blackmail of voters in support of their candidate or cause.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Arrian
I'm sure there is some "culture of life" add that shows cute little babies and tells you that people who favor stem cell research will kill those poor innocent little babies.

-Arrian

I wonder if such an ad were run saying something on the order of "people afflicted with genetic diseases have voiced their concerns, these people have no voice" if it would be chastised.


Now don't get me wrong, I am fully in support of genetic stem cell research for both placental and embryonic strains (I don't have the hangups others do as I am pro-choice). I simply wonder where the public sympathies might lie for such a tactic.

[Imran Siddiqui]

it's reading between the lines

You latest post just reinforces it. Emotional blackmail happens all the time. It is just interesting that you start to object when it is a Democrat doing it rather than the Republicans who have been at it for the last 4 years. Why are only severely ill people chastised for this emotional blackmail? They are not allowed now? Pfft!

[dannubis]

I really wonder:
How is it possible that it is always the people who are first to be rallied by some vague treath of danger (whoooo, the terrrist/imigrants/... are commin to get you !) find it repulsive that someone who is sick tries to put his problem in the spot light.

Why is it so difficult to care about human suffering ? You are quickly enough in demanding punishment.

[Winston]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

it's reading between the lines

You latest post just reinforces it. Emotional blackmail happens all the time. It is just interesting that you start to object when it is a Democrat doing it rather than the Republicans who have been at it for the last 4 years. Why are only severely ill people chastised for this emotional blackmail? They are not allowed now? Pfft!

You're dreaming again.

My opposition is with the practice, not which party engages in it.

[Winston]

Human suffering, human suffering..

I'm against it!

It baffles the mind that you're unable to grasp that politics is about the strength of the argument, not who can get the shakiest celebrity to endorse their candidacy.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

it's reading between the lines

You latest post just reinforces it. Emotional blackmail happens all the time. It is just interesting that you start to object when it is a Democrat doing it rather than the Republicans who have been at it for the last 4 years. Why are only severely ill people chastised for this emotional blackmail? They are not allowed now? Pfft!

a) the contention is that Democrats are the only party and more to the fact the specific candidates are the only ones rallying to the cause. Both houses passed bills opening up embryonic research only to have Bush veto it. (asshat that he is). But that doesn't mean the legislative is to blame. The fact that regardless of the outcomes of these elections they would never have enough to overturn the veto doesn't even enter into the equation. In other words the legislative bipartisanly had consensus enough to do what Fox requested. His appeal for Democratic voting doesn't advance his cause as the obstacle is not the legislative(as there is no freaking way to get that type of majority in these elections) but the President.

b) Knowing that basic point, then his appeal to Democratic voting on matters of electing legislative members is then viewed in a different light. Sure Fox has every right to appeal to people to vote with this issue in mind. I would expect anyone with a vested interest to speak loud and strong on issues they see as near and dear to them. Life and death are of course the nearest and dearest of all. The point being that only Dems favor this is the problem that coupled with Dems painting the picture as they are the only party supporting Fox's appeals is not correct or accurate.

c) Finally the arguement is assumed as only one sided. (yeah I know that is the art of politics frame the arguement appropriately) As I alluded to earlier (much as I might disagree) there are those who think the voice of the unborn needs to similarly be heard.

[dannubis]

So now they are allowed to be sick. You are even agianst their sickness. They just can not show it in public.

Give him a medal !!!

It baffles my mind you are unable to grasp the huge hole in your own moral system. Like I said, I didn't care about the political implications of the debate. I just found it disgusting that an -in my eyes despicable type of persons- personally attacks a sick man for stating his opinion.

[Winston]

Disgusting.. despicable.. personally attacking a sick man..

I think we've been over this before.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by dannubis


So now they are allowed to be sick. You are even agianst their sickness. They just can not show it in public.

Give him a medal !!!

It baffles my mind you are unable to grasp the huge hole in your own moral system. Like I said, I didn't care about the political implications of the debate. I just found it disgusting that an -in my eyes despicable type of persons- personally attacks a sick man for stating his opinion.

Yes Limbaugh is a dick.

In other news, men think about sex a lot. And babies tend to cry frequently.

[dannubis]

yes, beacause that pretty much sums up what has happened.

if you fail to grasp that, that's your problem not mine.