The God Delusion

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by BlackCat
Uhmn, no. Jim Holt did that - and if it's this guy :

Why would you think it is that guy when he doesn't even write for The New Yorker or The New York Times?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by BlackCat
That really doesn't make much sense - are you drunk too ?

It makes more sense than your noise to the effect that that a writer for the NY Times and New Yorker is a Senator in the State of Arkansas.

[Berzerker]

The evolutionary biologist E. O. Wilson, in a 1985 paper written with the philosopher Michael Ruse, put the point starkly: ethics “is an illusion fobbed off on us by our genes to get us to cooperate,� and “the way our biology enforces its ends is by making us think that there is an objective higher code to which we are all subject.�

"treat others the way you want to be treated" is an objective higher code, it takes you away from your perspective and puts you in someone else's shoes - and hypocrisy is identified and rejected.

[notyoueither]

Why should the strong buy into that rubbish?

[Whaleboy]

How? It seems to be going through all the usual stages.

Indeed. I've looked over it a few times over the last week, although I've been far too busy to do some extensive posting, I've not really bothered because the usual suspects are just going off at a tangeant and not answering the question at hand. The vast majority of their arguments are dealt with in the book itself, and IMHO you're not qualified to talk about a book unless you've read it. I don't think a review is sufficient. A review should serve as an individuals buying guide, but I'd never recommend a book to someone else on the basis of a good review, or feel qualified to criticise it based on a bad review (a trap that DaShi seems to fall into).

When I looked up beneath the sheets of rain all I could see was stars, there were no clouds in the sky and it was pouring rain.

About four hours after the rain stopped the minister that helped my dad cross needed to go home. I and two of my sisters walked him out to his car. I heard him say "look children." I heard my two sisters take a big gasp of air.

He said "look" - when I looked, his car was covered in a sheet of rainwater 1/4 of an inch thick. I looked at all the other cars parked right next to his and they were all, without exception, bone dry. The pavement was dry and there was no water anywhere except his car was covered in water.

Altogether I looked at about a dozen cars and they were all dry except his, it was covered in water. I think my dad was saying thanks for helping.

Anyone care to explain that with science?

A leaking gutter?

[MOBIUS]

Whaleboy, you're wasting your time - if these donkeys still think that attcking Iraq was a good idea, you'll never get them to admit that their God doesn't exist (though I'm sure you'd get them to say that other gods don't exist... ).

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
and IMHO you're not qualified to talk about a book unless you've read it.

Why post a troll thread about the book in a forum where you feel alot of the people haven't read the book if you feel this way?

[CrONoS]

way to go Mobius;

Generalization of diversity, caricaturing others peoples into one mental image, making a negative image of others peoples thought without including the diversity and the validity of others peoples thoughts....

that are the first step to any kind of hate process...

Edit: yep, it's look like the same process of the rationalization of racism

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by cronos_qc
way to go Mobius;

generalization of diversity, caricaturing others peoples into one mental image, make a negative image of others peoples thought....

that's the first step to any kind of hate process...

EE-AW! EE-AW! We have donkey number one, cronos_qc...

First step to any kind of hate process is usually the 'us vs them' mentality of organised religion. Take Christianity, the moment it gained the ascendant it set about persecuting all the other religions around it...

[CrONoS]

@mobius
Why are you not questioning yourself?

I didn't try to imagine who you are, what do you think. By making them you a gross generalization of an atheist.

[Terra Nullius]

Originally posted by beingofone
My dad went to be with the Lord Sunday October 8th.

Sorry for your loss.

Glad to hear he moved on peacefully.

[Terra Nullius]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
... he could simply ask ...

Yes,.. politely.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Berzerker


"treat others the way you want to be treated" is an objective higher code, it takes you away from your perspective and puts you in someone else's shoes - and hypocrisy is identified and rejected.

No its not. Every human being has individualized preferences, and will want to be treated differently than say his neighbor, who has different preferences. You could not possibly come up with an objective code of conduct based on the most subjective thing out there, personal opinion.

[Terra Nullius]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
How can one respect someone who believes in fairy tales?

More to the point,.. why shouldn't you respect someone who believes in fairy tales?

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by GePap


No its not. Every human being has individualized preferences, and will want to be treated differently than say his neighbor, who has different preferences. You could not possibly come up with an objective code of conduct based on the most subjective thing out there, personal opinion.

Exactly, "to treat everyone the way you would want to be treated yourself" easily has to be one of the most arrogant and self-centred things a person could do, especially if it involves some sort of misguided attempt to 'do good' at the same time...

Anyone who likes by that code is a simplistic fool (or arrogant and self-centred).