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  • Basically, the court leaves the question of whether or not civil unions (or whatever New Jersey decides to call them) are equal to marriage for another day. They punted on the issue.


    Are you actually reading what you posted? Let me post it again:

    We will not presume that a separate statutory scheme, which uses a title other than marriage, contravenes equal protection principles, so long as the rights and benefits of civil marriage are made equally available to same-sex couples.


    It is quite, quite clear that they are saying that the SC of NJ will not presume that a civil union scheme that has the same rights and benefits of marriage violates equal protection. They are saying a civil union with the same rights as marriage is fine under the state's equal protection clause.

    In the words of someone better aquainted with the issue than myself...


    which said the Supreme Court refused to declare a right to gay marriage, because they were uncomfortable with calling it marriage. Which seems to indicate that any challenge will get struck down as long as the same rights are given to civil unions. Basically the court wanted the same rights to gay couples, but did NOT want to go as far as to say they should have the right to marry and there is no indication that they would, under the current composition of judges.

    The Volokh page also states:

    (3) Rights-forcing decisions: Mandate the rights of marriage, but not the status, for gay couples. This was the route taken by the Vermont supreme court, and now by the New Jersey supreme court.


    And I haven't seen Vermont's court getting a challenge where it said, yeah, we were wrong, you get gay marriage.

    Also the Volokh article indicates that Volokh is pro gay marriage. Of course he'd try to put a positive spin on it for gay marriage in a subsequent decision. However, it is misplaced. It won't happen. You can bank on that. The only way it'll change is if the composition of the court does.
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    • It is quite, quite clear that they are saying that the SC of NJ will not presume that a civil union scheme that has the same rights and benefits of marriage violates equal protection.


      Exactly. They aren't deciding whether a civil union is good enough at this time. They're waiting to see what the legislature comes up with before they deal with that issue.

      They are saying a civil union with the same rights as marriage is fine under the state's equal protection clause.


      No, they aren't. They were pretty careful not to come down either way on that.

      Also the Volokh article indicates that Volokh is pro gay marriage.


      Volokh didn't write any of those...
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      • The latest generic ballot polls are trending strongly in favor of the Republicans. First, the latest Washington Post/ABC poll indicated that the Democratic lead of + 14 two weeks ago has now been reduced to +6. Then the latest Pew poll showed a +11 Dem lead reduced to +4. And tonight the latest Gallup/USA Today poll shows a +23 Dem lead one month ago and a +14 lead two weeks ago reduced to a +7 lead today. Too little, too late? Or has Rove figured out a way to best the Dems once again? He has seemed quite optimistic lately...
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        • Dems snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

          You can always count on them...
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • More good news!

            Across the board, in Senate, House and Governor's races, the wave boosting the Democrats crested about 10 days ago. Since then the advantage Democrats have built throughout the year has been reduced by from 1.5 to 3.5 percentage points. While forces are still a net positive to the Democrats, these forces are weaker than they were during the week before Halloween. This implies that the most competitive races will now be harder for Democrats to win and easier for Republicans to hold. This implies that the anticipation of a major surge to Democrats now needs to be reconsidered.


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            • Yes, more GOP destruction of democracy means more socialists!
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • He does speak the truth...

                A Vote For Republicans is A Vote For Socialism .
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                • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                  He does speak the truth...
                  That socialism isn't compatible with democracy?
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                  • Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                    The latest generic ballot polls are trending strongly in favor of the Republicans. First, the latest Washington Post/ABC poll indicated that the Democratic lead of + 14 two weeks ago has now been reduced to +6. Then the latest Pew poll showed a +11 Dem lead reduced to +4. And tonight the latest Gallup/USA Today poll shows a +23 Dem lead one month ago and a +14 lead two weeks ago reduced to a +7 lead today. Too little, too late? Or has Rove figured out a way to best the Dems once again? He has seemed quite optimistic lately...
                    need to get the polls close enough for Diebold to steal...

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                    • Latest polls show the Senate breaking down 48 Dems, 49 Republicans, 3 toss ups. Not bad considering the Reps have 40 seats which aren't up for election while the Dems only have 27 not up for election.
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                      • Originally posted by Oerdin
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                        • The latest generic ballot polls are trending strongly in favor of the Republicans. First, the latest Washington Post/ABC poll indicated that the Democratic lead of + 14 two weeks ago has now been reduced to +6. Then the latest Pew poll showed a +11 Dem lead reduced to +4. And tonight the latest Gallup/USA Today poll shows a +23 Dem lead one month ago and a +14 lead two weeks ago reduced to a +7 lead today. Too little, too late? Or has Rove figured out a way to best the Dems once again? He has seemed quite optimistic lately...


                          Roughly contemporaneous polls from CNN (D + 20), Newsweek (D +16), Time (D +15), and Fox (D +13) show the Dems maintaining a large advantage in the generic ballot. There seems to be a sharp difference in these pollsters' likely voter model. There are still a few more national polls yet to be released (Harris, AP, Zogby, etc.), and it'll be interesting if they go with the high or low ends of the spectrum.
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                          • The polls that show the Democrats with a shrinking lead in the generic ballot are based on a somewhat strange assumption. They assume that in comparison with 2004, 5% more of the electorate self identify as conservatives, and 5% fewer as liberals. Now, in light of the failure of the conservative movement in government, i find that assumption to be improbable. And if you look solely at the Pew poll, if you take the methodology it currently uses, but replaces its current liberal/conservative numbers with its 2004 numbers, the democrats lead 55 to 35.
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                            • Self-identification has been moving conservative for a long time now, even when Bush was having tough times, for instance. Hasn't helped the GOP lately, however.
                              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                              • Besides, why would anyone replace the current GOP/Dem breakdown numbers with the 2004 numbers when the 2004 numbers led to an embarassing failure of the polls to predict Bush's victory? It only makes sense that the pollsters would increase the number of GOP voters in their surveys, given that they grossly overestimated Dem participation the last time around...
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