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Supporters of the statue say the popular image in the West of the Khan as a ruthless barbarian invader gives Americans a misconception of a leader who some historians say was ahead of his time and progressive in many ways.
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Do remind me, what did he do to Beijing? And how many Persians did he kill? Yeah, real man of peace there
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How long did it take Carthage to recover?Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
Merv and many other persian cities were also destroyed, millions died, and the people who watched it said that the destruction was soo severe that it would take persia more than a millenium to recover.No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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Carthage was destroyed completely
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When Carthage fell, its nearby rival Utica, a Roman ally, was made capital of the region and replaced Carthage as the leading center of Punic trade and leadership. It had the advantageous position of being situated on the Lake of Tunis and the outlet of the Majardah River, Tunisia's only river that flowed all year long. However, grain cultivation in the Tunisian mountains caused large amounts of silt to erode into the river. This silt was accumulated in the harbor until it was made useless, and Rome was forced to rebuild Carthage.
A new city of Carthage was built on the same land, and by the 1st century it had grown to the second largest city in the western half of the Roman empire, with a peak population of 500,000. It was the center of the Roman province of Africa, which was a major "breadbasket" of the empire. Carthage briefly became the capital of an usurper, Domitius Alexander, in 308-311.I need a foot massageComment
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later it was destroyed during the muslim conquest and tunis became the main city thereI need a foot massageComment
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so does that mean we can go back to celebrating Christopher Columbus on Columbus day? I mean compared to Khan, Chris was a progressive humanitarian.Originally posted by Oncle Boris
And so are nearly all admired leaders from the past."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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"Genghis Khan established an empire based on religious tolerance in an age where the Crusades and religious wars were commonplace, his advocates say. He was an ardent free trader, and established principles of diplomatic immunity."
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Did he also claim to invent the question mark?“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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In China, no less? Wow...Originally posted by axi
An existing statue of Genghis Khan, in China:
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/imag...010014980t.jpgComment
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He did nothing to beijing. Kublai Khan made it to Beijing, and created the city as the capital of his China. (Prior to that it had been a city further south, I forget which.) He built the Forbidden Palace and attempted to abolish the silly memorization 'exams' that had turned the bureaucracy in ancient China into a bunch of religious mumbo jumbo. Didn't work, as they just reinstated it after they overthrew the Mongols, but he triedOriginally posted by Provost Harrison
Do remind me, what did he do to Beijing? And how many Persians did he kill? Yeah, real man of peace there
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What's funny about any of that? All of it was entirely, unquestionably true. You can accuse him of murdering millions, which he certainly did, but all of the above is 100% fact. He never killed diplomats; and many of his worst massacres were due to his own diplomats being slaughtered or maimed by the city he sent them into, with offers of peace if they swore fealty to him.Originally posted by BeBro
"Genghis Khan established an empire based on religious tolerance in an age where the Crusades and religious wars were commonplace, his advocates say. He was an ardent free trader, and established principles of diplomatic immunity."
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Ok, that's all you need. No other words need to be said. If he murdered millions, then end of story he has no business being honored in this country or any other. Nothing else about him is relevant.Originally posted by snoopy369
What's funny about any of that? All of it was entirely, unquestionably true. You can accuse him of murdering millions, which he certainly did,Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
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A shame Hulagu, Abaga and the rest of Mongols didn't convert to Christianity... Happiness was so close...
Iraq would be a christian country now..."I realise I hold the key to freedom,
I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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islamofobix!Originally posted by Heresson
A shame Hulagu, Abaga and the rest of Mongols didn't convert to Christianity... Happiness was so close...
Iraq would be a christian country now...
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Wasn't Hulagu's wife Nestorian Christian?Originally posted by Heresson
A shame Hulagu, Abaga and the rest of Mongols didn't convert to Christianity... Happiness was so close...
Iraq would be a christian country now...I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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yes... and Kitboga, the leader of the part of his army he left in Syria after he headed east to deal with vacancy on the throne of Great Khan, was christian as well.
Again, had the news of death of Great Khan reached Hulagu later, 'Ayn Galut would have never happened.
Well, there are some bad and some good results of it.
But I'd rather Middle East to be christian, and I do not find it wrong, as I do not find it wrong for a muslim to regret Europe hasn't becomen muslim."I realise I hold the key to freedom,
I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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