Islam Unacceptable.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
I thought muslims were not supposed to draw or make statues or anything that resembles a human...?

you mean God?

Both, actually. But over the past 2 centuries of contact with Western civilization this prohibition has relaxed. Only orthodox followers really bother to adhere.

[Heresson]

one king of Saudi Arabia was killed by a guy whose brother was killed in result of pacification of a demonstration against establishment of tv in Saudi Arabia

[DRoseDARs]

Yet another example of Saudi Arabia being the true threat. They exported this radicalized Islam that infects the the world. Bombing them wouldn't do much at this point other than inflame the crops of extremism they've sown throughout the Muslim world. Perhaps a containment policy against Islamic countries would work, but I doubt any country - let alone all of them - in the Western and Asian worlds would have the will power to coordinate such a policy. Then there's the issue of the morality of such a policy: To what degree do you enforce containment and when is it considered successful? Are there exceptions made for mitigating circumstances like global climate change? And what of their oil, we "contain" them and they will "contain" most of their oil for themselves, overall profits be damned (there will always be a blackmarket...). The world economy would not like that too much and the people will suffer on both sides.

[CerberusIV]

Basically the West is stuck with Islamic extremism until their oil runs out and we don't need it anymore. Then our governments can seize the assets of the Middle Eastern countries held in our banks, ban all air travel to and from those countries and leave them to rot.

On a more serious note the real problem in many muslim countries is a willingness to follow any "leader" who promises that it will all be OK if they just blow up a few infidels rather than doing the hard work necessary to have a prosperous inclusive society.

[DRoseDARs]

It's stuff like this that almost makes me supportive of nuclear power to supplant our oil-based energy economy.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Yet another example of Saudi Arabia being the true threat. They exported this radicalized Islam that infects the the world. Bombing them wouldn't do much at this point other than inflame the crops of extremism they've sown throughout the Muslim world. Perhaps a containment policy against Islamic countries would work, but I doubt any country - let alone all of them - in the Western and Asian worlds would have the will power to coordinate such a policy. Then there's the issue of the morality of such a policy: To what degree do you enforce containment and when is it considered successful? Are there exceptions made for mitigating circumstances like global climate change? And what of their oil, we "contain" them and they will "contain" most of their oil for themselves, overall profits be damned (there will always be a blackmarket...). The world economy would not like that too much and the people will suffer on both sides.

Hm, I think several aspects of radical islamism/terrorism woulnd't be touched by containing Islamic states. For example it wouldn't solve the problem with people having islamist views living in the West (like those London bombers).

[MOBIUS]

ALL religion is stupid crap...

But I find the idiotic hypocrisy of christians condemning islam in this way the most entertaining thing I have yet read today (it is still early)...

You ***** are priceless!

[Heresson]

please, explain ther alleged hypocrisy

[MOBIUS]

Christianity has its own hate filled extremists. The only difference is that they are far more subtle in their approach (or less reported). Well, maybe apart from the pope that is...

[PLATO]

Athiest and agnostics don't have any extremist elements?

Or is this just...Pot...Kettle...Black?

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by BeBro


Hm, I think several aspects of radical islamism/terrorism woulnd't be touched by containing Islamic states. For example it wouldn't solve the problem with people having islamist views living in the West (like those London bombers).

This is an example of the degree to which one enforces containment. Would such individuals face expulsion from the UK for example? Given the frightening Bush administration policy of ghosting prisoners and that "extraordinary rendition" malarky, I can easily see extremists being picked up and finding themselves exiled overnight.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by PLATO
Athiest and agnostics don't have any extremist elements?

Or is this just...Pot...Kettle...Black?

By all the laws of common sense, God or Gods in the form that mankind believes in them patently do not exist - as witnessed in the almost infinitely fractured belief systems of this planet...

That is hardly an extremist view. Merely one of cold, hard, logic.

If you insist on believing in some make believe entity (or entities) then be my guest, it adds to the rich cultural diversity of the world and some of the most beautiful places I have ever visited are temples, cathedrals and mosques in many different countries...

[Heresson]

Originally posted by MOBIUS
Christianity has its own hate filled extremists. The only difference is that they are far more subtle in their approach (or less reported). Well, maybe apart from the pope that is...

Catholic fundamentalists either make angry protests against abortion and gay parades, or go to some third world country and organise humanitarian aid for it.
Muslim fundamentalists burn churches and kill nuns or create armed groups and blow up somewhere.

nah, I know a lot of muslim fundamentalists that are scarily good people, but I wouldn't want to live in their imagined world, for I could get dead.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Heresson



Catholic fundamentalists either make angry protests against abortion and gay parades, or go to some third world country and organise humanitarian aid for it.
Muslim fundamentalists burn churches and kill nuns or create armed groups and blow up somewhere.

nah, I know a lot of muslim fundamentalists that are scarily good people, but I wouldn't want to live in their imagined world, for I could get dead.

What about the religious fundamentalism of a nation that drives it to invade Iraq for no good reason, or encourages it to support Israel as it murders civilians with its own weapons?

America is awash with christian fundies who are driving US foreign policy in the middle east: they don't need to burn flags in the streets when their decisions kill thousands of innocent non-christians in the middle east and the 'promised land'...

If you ask me, flag burning is the classic example of a frustrated and powerless protest.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by MOBIUS


What about the religious fundamentalism of a nation that drives it to invade Iraq for no good reason, or encourages it to support Israel as it murders civilians with its own weapons?

America is awash with christian fundies who are driving US foreign policy in the middle east: they don't need to burn flags in the streets when their decisions kill thousands of innocent non-christians in the middle east and the 'promised land'...

If you ask me, flag burning is the classic example of a frustrated and powerless protest.

Baptists are not christian
I don't think Iraq was attacked for religious reasons. At least not officially.
Christians are dieing in Iraq, Palestine and especially in Lebanon, as well.

And it's not only flag-burning