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I meant the learning Mandarin part. China uber alles, baby!
Originally posted by Oncle Boris
cuz we don't speak English...
cuz we don't speak English...
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Most anglos outside of Quebec have a completely distorted understanding of our culture and politics. Most likely IMO because they don't speak French and live in their self-created fantasy à la Globe & Mail and National Post.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
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I find your lack of cynicism disturbing.Originally posted by nostromo
I don't see why you keep confusing the two. There's no link between the language laws and full-on independance. They're not measures implemented to lead us to independance, they're measures taken to help our culture and ou language thrive within Canada. A lot of québecois federalists support those measures, you know.
The measures are designed to increase the number of Francophones, while at the same time discouraging Anglos and thereby increase the likelyhood of succeeding in the next referendum. No Anglophone will vote Yes in a referendum, so you people have to drive them out.
Some people will never be satisfied. Allowing them to make everything in the province more French allows them to expand their influence.You think you're opposing the independantists by rejecting, in principle, all such measures. But, in fact, your giving fuel to the independantist movement.
Nudge?And why are you always insisting on using loaded terms such as "forceful assimilation"? The correct term isn't assimilation, but integration. Immigrants must integrate with their host society one way or another. We're just nudging them in one direction.
A nudge would be to give them a choice then say, but we prefer you take the French option, or say making that option easier to take. Why use loaded terms? I don't know, maybe it's the sinister plot to undermine the unity of Canada...
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No. Many english speakers world wide see assimilation into a global english standard as desirable, and so have no sympathy for attempts to use the state to protect particular cultures. While in Canada this may focus on French and so be associated with the Canadian right, i see this as more broadly associated with a universalist POV - one that forgets that universalism looks far different from the POV of the majority culture than it does to the minority culture. Quebec faces a globe, and a North America, where English is dominant. Naturally, IMHO, they use the state to protect French. However some of them have a certain tone deafness and heavy handedness in how they do so, I might say. But its not an easy thing to get right.Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Most anglos outside of Quebec have a completely distorted understanding of our culture and politics. Most likely IMO because they don't speak French and live in their self-created fantasy à la Globe & Mail and National Post."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
No. Many english speakers world wide see assimilation into a global english standard as desirable, and so have no sympathy for attempts to use the state to protect particular cultures.
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Don't worry, some of us have sympathy and would be more than willing to see other languages preserved in some manner akin to, say, Welsh.Originally posted by BeBro
Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
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Yeah, scare me even more!
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Well, the Quebec government is trying to do by law for French, what English is doing without any such help globally."The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
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QFTMost anglos outside of Quebec have a completely distorted understanding of our culture and politics. Most likely IMO because they don't speak French and live in their self-created fantasy à la Globe & Mail and National Post.
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I am a French Canadian "pure laine" or whatever.Originally posted by cronos_qc
The "majority" is fading away...
Results of 1980 referendum:
Yes: 40,44%
No: 59,56%
Results of 1995 Referendum:
Information about the referendum:
YES: 49.4%;
NO: 50.6%
Used to be separatist, now not so sure.
As some ppl have posted, I think the trend towards seperatisms is not there anymore simply because the reasons to separate are mostly gone.
Face it, a lot of improvement has been made since the 70s, 80s and even the 90s.
I am not totally against separation but it is not a pressing issue in my mind like it would have been years ago.Comment
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I don't read either.Most anglos outside of Quebec have a completely distorted understanding of our culture and politics. Most likely IMO because they don't speak French and live in their self-created fantasy à la Globe & Mail and National Post.
I do understand your crazy legislation and crazy government rules and your crazy nationalistic streak, and that alone is grounds for Quebec's cultural expulsion from Canada, which is what's happening. You guys have your heads so far up eachothers asses trying to "preserve the French race" or whatever that you haven't discovered that nobody really cares but you, and you just piss people off by constantly trumpeting your ethnicity.
As far as I'm concerned the vast majority of Francophones that support things such as the French language laws are racist, plain and simple. A culture of snobbery is a headache to all."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Great comment.Originally posted by lord of the mark
No. Many english speakers world wide see assimilation into a global english standard as desirable, and so have no sympathy for attempts to use the state to protect particular cultures. While in Canada this may focus on French and so be associated with the Canadian right, i see this as more broadly associated with a universalist POV - one that forgets that universalism looks far different from the POV of the majority culture than it does to the minority culture. Quebec faces a globe, and a North America, where English is dominant. Naturally, IMHO, they use the state to protect French. However some of them have a certain tone deafness and heavy handedness in how they do so, I might say. But its not an easy thing to get right.
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There is absolutely no reason to use legislation and the state to protect what they deem important culturally. If something is truly important culturally, it'll be preserved. Deal with it.
Things change, try to keep up.
On a related note, did you know that per capita Quebec has the least amount of cell phones and high speed internet in Canada?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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You're showing the cause for ignorance, rather than the proof of its absence ...Originally posted by lord of the mark
No. Many english speakers world wide see assimilation into a global english standard as desirable, and so have no sympathy for attempts to use the state to protect particular cultures. While in Canada this may focus on French and so be associated with the Canadian right, i see this as more broadly associated with a universalist POV - one that forgets that universalism looks far different from the POV of the majority culture than it does to the minority culture. Quebec faces a globe, and a North America, where English is dominant. Naturally, IMHO, they use the state to protect French. However some of them have a certain tone deafness and heavy handedness in how they do so, I might say. But its not an easy thing to get right.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
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I think Welsh is a lovely language and given infinite time or a massive decrease in my laziness and I might one day even learn it.Originally posted by Starchild
Don't worry, some of us have sympathy and would be more than willing to see other languages preserved in some manner akin to, say, Welsh.
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