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  • #61
    There is no way we will ever agree on this point. Forcible assimilation for the purpose of maintaining one's numbers is distasteful at best.
    Like I said, I'm not sure I agree with the specific measure you alluded to. I'm not familiar with the specifics of it. I'm pretty sure, for exemple, that immigrants whose native tongue is english can go to english schools. But I don't know what are the rules for allophones. I have no problem whatsoever with asking an immigrant who speaks neither french nor english to go a french school. There's nothing distasful about that.

    All I'm saying is that measures have to be implemented, measures like allowing a higher percentage of francophone immigrants for example. A laissez-faire policy simply won't do. If you can't even agree with that, I have nothing more to say.

    But you have to realize that your refusal to understand our point of view, your refusal to put a little water in your wine would mean a parting of ways if it became official policy.
    Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy – Lessing

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    • #62
      things become extinct for a reason
      For multiple reasons, actually. Including a laissez-faire attitude. In fact, you have similar problems in the States, where spanish is spreading rapidly. And, IRC, similar measures have been taken in some States.
      Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy – Lessing

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      • #63
        and I have adapted

        by learning some Spanish. Besides this will become moot when China takes over the world and imposes Mandarin everywhere. Of course, I am prepared for that eventuality too.

        You should do the same.
        “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

        ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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        • #64
          Originally posted by nostromo


          Like I said, I'm not sure I agree with the specific measure you alluded to. I'm not familiar with the specifics of it. I'm pretty sure, for exemple, that immigrants whose native tongue is english can go to english schools. But I don't know what are the rules for allophones. I have no problem whatsoever with asking an immigrant who speaks neither french nor english to go a french school. There's nothing distasful about that.
          Yes, but an immigrant who speaks English but not French must go to a French school under Quebec law. Only people whose parents went to school in Quebec (or Canada?) in English can go to an English school.

          All I'm saying is that measures have to be implemented, measures like allowing a higher percentage of francophone immigrants for example. A laissez-faire policy simply won't do. If you can't even agree with that, I have nothing more to say.
          That is quite different than trying to make Francophones out of non-francophones.

          On an extreme end, during WWII, my grandfather one day was given a Hungarian name and told that from this day forward he must speak only Hungarian. Fortunately, this only lasted a few years until we recovered all of Transylvania. My own experiences are nothing in comparison, but still... I'm not fond of forced assimilation.

          But you have to realize that your refusal to understand our point of view, your refusal to put a little water in your wine would mean a parting of ways if it became official policy.
          But the implicit purpose of these measures is specifically to increase the number of Francophones and therefore shore up the independence vote.
          "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
          -Joan Robinson

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          • #65
            Oh, this is too delicious. Divide and conquer.

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            • #66
              Just try it.
              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
              Stadtluft Macht Frei
              Killing it is the new killing it
              Ultima Ratio Regum

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              • #67
                Re: and I have adapted

                Originally posted by pchang
                by learning some Spanish. Besides this will become moot when China takes over the world and imposes Mandarin everywhere. Of course, I am prepared for that eventuality too.

                You should do the same.
                cuz we don't speak English...
                In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                  Just try it.
                  It will fall into our lap. Come, little Alberta...come...

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                  • #69
                    by learning some Spanish. Besides this will become moot when China takes over the world and imposes Mandarin everywhere. Of course, I am prepared for that eventuality too.

                    You should do the same.
                    Its easy for you to say, you're a chinese mole.
                    Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy – Lessing

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                    • #70
                      Just try it.
                      They tried once and failed miserably. They'll never try again, trust me. They're too afraid
                      Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy – Lessing

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
                        Why dont they let French Canada be free?
                        They are free.

                        If you mean why aren't they granted independance?

                        A majority in the province don't want it and never have.
                        "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                        "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                        • #72
                          A majority in the province don't want it and never have.
                          The "majority" is fading away...

                          Results of 1980 referendum:
                          Yes: 40,44%
                          No: 59,56%

                          Results of 1995 Referendum:
                          Information about the referendum:


                          YES: 49.4%;
                          NO: 50.6%
                          Last edited by CrONoS; September 20, 2006, 10:36.
                          bleh

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by cronos_qc

                            The "majority" is fading away...

                            Results of 1980 referendum:
                            Yes: 40,44%
                            No: 59,56%

                            Results of 1995 Referendum:
                            Information about the referendum:


                            YES: 49.4%;
                            NO: 50.6%
                            And yet you need to forcefully assimilate everyone
                            "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
                            -Joan Robinson

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by cronos_qc

                              The "majority" is fading away...
                              Post the questions Cronos.

                              BS questions and disengenuous arguments almost got them to 50%.

                              I stand by my position. A majority of Quebecers never have supported independance.
                              "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                              "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                              • #75
                                And yet you need to forcefully assimilate everyone
                                I don't see why you keep confusing the two. There's no link between the language laws and full-on independance. They're not measures implemented to lead us to independance, they're measures taken to help our culture and ou language thrive within Canada. A lot of québecois federalists support those measures, you know.

                                You think you're opposing the independantists by rejecting, in principle, all such measures. But, in fact, your giving fuel to the independantist movement.

                                And why are you always insisting on using loaded terms such as "forceful assimilation"? The correct term isn't assimilation, but integration. Immigrants must integrate with their host society one way or another. We're just nudging them in one direction.
                                Last edited by Nostromo; September 20, 2006, 11:25.
                                Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy – Lessing

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