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We definitely need to reign in our immigration for any number of good reasons. Just add less environmental destruction and resource shortages to the list which includes undercutting our own working classes with constant waves of cheap 3rd world labor etc.
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He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
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It's not really the immigrants that use that much, it's the "average" American that uses much more than everyone else. Raising fuel taxes to European levels (in the U.K. petrol is about £1 per litre, which would be about $8-9 per gallon iirc). Raising road taxes significantly on larger engine sizes etc etc maybe a carbon tax or allotment.Comment
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Even the working poor (which most illegal immigrants are in the U.S.) use vastly more resources than the average person in the world. I support higher fuel taxes as well, but limiting immigration has many other benefits.Originally posted by lightblue
It's not really the immigrants that use that much, it's the "average" American that uses much more than everyone else. Raising fuel taxes to European levels (in the U.K. petrol is about £1 per litre, which would be about $8-9 per gallon iirc). Raising road taxes significantly on larger engine sizes etc etc maybe a carbon tax or allotment.He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!Comment
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Originally posted by DanS
The good lord has blessed the US with a cornucopia of natural resources and the intelligence to use those resources responsibly.
The problem is that you dont.
I went to the state of new york 2 weeks ago and I didn't even see one lousy recycling bin. OMG!
I went to a restaurant called Apple bees....WTF! Haven't they heard of cardboard!? Everything came in plastic bowls, it was takeout...and no where to recycle them.
Ridiculous.
Spec.-Never argue with an idiot; He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.Comment
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Even very steep increases in fuel prices do not seem to be reducing fuel consumption at all atm. I suspect all your proposal would be good for is providing tax revenue.Originally posted by lightblue
It's not really the immigrants that use that much, it's the "average" American that uses much more than everyone else. Raising fuel taxes to European levels (in the U.K. petrol is about £1 per litre, which would be about $8-9 per gallon iirc). Raising road taxes significantly on larger engine sizes etc etc maybe a carbon tax or allotment.Comment
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The US is actually ranked 172 out of 230 countries in population density. There is certainly room for a few more.
The issue of consumption is not so much one of there being too many americans as it is that people in less densely populated countries use more fuel for transportation and that people who are destitute can't afford to consume anything so they just live in poverty instead.
If there are fewer americans any savings in consumption will simply amount to fewer people being materially well off.Comment
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FYI, in many jurisdictions, the trash is sorted into recyclables/non-recyclables later, where it's more efficient to do so (by machine).Originally posted by Spec
The problem is that you dont.
I went to the state of new york 2 weeks ago and I didn't even see one lousy recycling bin. OMG!
I went to a restaurant called Apple bees....WTF! Haven't they heard of cardboard!? Everything came in plastic bowls, it was takeout...and no where to recycle them.
Ridiculous.
Spec.
The US is taking an enlightened approach.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Dan is right on this one. It's perfectly feasible to sort trash after collection but the eco-luddites won't go for it, supposedly because sorting at home "fosters discipline".
It doesn't greatly reduce fuel consumption in the short-term no (even though there's evidence that people are more careful not to take any unnecessary trips, for instance), but it does create additional incentives to look for options that are more fuel-efficient, thereby reducing consumption in the long-term. The fact that Toyota's cars are more fuel-efficient is cited as big reason why their sales are growing in the US while those of Detroit are plunging.Originally posted by Geronimo
Even very steep increases in fuel prices do not seem to be reducing fuel consumption at all atm. I suspect all your proposal would be good for is providing tax revenue.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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The real question is, are there too many Belgians?Comment
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Originally posted by DanS
FYI, in many jurisdictions, the trash is sorted into recyclables/non-recyclables later, where it's more efficient to do so (by machine).
The US is taking an enlightened approach.
The US, which emits 24% of the world's greenhouse gases, making it the world's most polluting country, has refused to sign up to Kyoto on the grounds that it would hamper financial growth.
The US is the most polluting country in the world. Let me find other sources. IBRB.
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Originally posted by Spec
The US is the most polluting country in the world. Let me find other sources. IBRB.
Spec.
Naaah, simply one of the smarter ones. Seems many of the other signatories are having buyers remorse."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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one more for the ignore list.
If you're going to be a troll, be decent, please.Comment
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I think we should take it as a badge of honor that we consume by far the most on the planet. It just means that we're richer than everybody else (save Luxembourg, Norway, and a few others).
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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You talking about me?!Originally posted by Kuciwalker
one more for the ignore list.
If you're going to be a troll, be decent, please.
Spec.-Never argue with an idiot; He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.Comment
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I agree with you Dan, but you cant stay rich for ever if the environment dies around you. It's only temporary.Originally posted by DanS
I think we should take it as a badge of honor that we consume by far the most on the planet. It just means that we're richer than everybody else (save Luxembourg, Norway, and a few others).
Spec.-Never argue with an idiot; He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.Comment
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